Yes, the only realistic and planet-wide 100% safe solution is this: putting all the GPUs in safe cloud/s controlled by international scientists that only make math-proven safe AIs and only stream output to users.
Each user can use his GPU for free from the cloud on any device (even on phone), when the user doesn’t use it, he can choose to earn money by letting others use his GPU.
You can do everything you do now, even buy or rent GPUs, all of them just will be cloud math-proven safe GPUs instead of physical. Because GPUs are nukes are we want no nukes or to put them deep underground in one place so they can be controlled by international scientists.
Computer viruses we still didn’t 100% solve (my mom had an Android virus recently), even iPhone and Nintendo Switch got jailbroken almost instantly, there are companies jailbreak iPhones as a service. I think Google Docs never got jailbroken, and majorly hacked, it’s a cloud service, so we need to base our AI and GPU security on this best example, we need to have all our GPUs in an internationally scientist controlled cloud.
Else we’ll have any hacker write a virus (just to steal money) with an AI agent component, grab consumer GPUs like cup-cakes, AI agent can even become autonomous (and we know they become evil in major ways, want to have a tea party with Stalin and Hitler—there was a recent paper—if given an evil goal. Will anyone align AIs for hackers or hacker themself will do it perfectly (they won’t) to make an AI agent just to steal money but be a slave and do nothing else bad?)
Yeah, you should talk to someone who knows more about security than myself, but as a couple starting points;
math-proven safe AIs
This is not a thing, and likely cannot he a thing. You can’t prove an AI system isn’t malign, and work that sounds like it says this is actually doing something very different.
You can do everything you do now, even buy or rent GPUs, all of them just will be cloud math-proven safe GPUs
You can’t know that a given matrix multiplication won’t be for an AI system. It’s the same operation, so if you can buy or rent GPU time, how would it know what you are doing?
Thank you, for your interest David! Math-proven safe AIs are possible, our group has just achieved it (our researcher writes under a pseudonym for safety reasons, please, ignore it): https://x.com/MelonUsks/status/1907929710027567542
Why it’s math-proven safe? Because it’s fully static, an LLM by itself is a giant static geometric shape in a file, only GPUs make it non-static, agentic. It’s called place AI, it’s a type of tool AI.
To address you second question, there is a way to know if a given matrix multiplication is for AI or not. In the cloud we’ll have a math-proven safe AI model inside of each math-proven safe GPU: GPU hardware will be remade to be an isolated unit that just spits out output: images, text, etc. Each GPU is an isolated math-proven safe computer, the sole purpose of this GPU computer is safety and hardware+firmware isolation of the AI model from the outside world.
But the main priority is putting all the GPUs in the international scientists controlled clouds, they’ll figure out the small details that are left to resolve. Almost all current GPUs (especially consumer ones) are 100% unprotected from the imminent AI agent botnet (think a computer virus but much worse), we can’t switch off the whole Internet.
Please, refer to the link above for further information. Thank you for this conversation!
You very much do not know what you are talking about, as that linked “explanation” makes clear.
I’m not sure if you’re honestly confused, or intentionally wasting peoples time, but either way, you should spend an hour or two asking 4o to explain in detail why an expert in AI would object to this, and think about the answers.
Interesting, David, I understand, if I would’ve found a post by Melon and flaws in it, I would’ve become not happy, too. But I found out that this whole forum topic is about both crazy and not ideas, preliminary ideas, about steel-manning each other and little things that may just work. Not dismissing based on flaws, of course there will be a lot.
We live in unreasonable times and the AI solution quite likely will look utterly unreasonable at first.
Chatting with a bot is a good idea, actually, I’ll convey it. You never said what is the flaw, though) Just bashed and made it personal (did the thing we agreed not to do here, it’s preliminary and crazy ideas here, remember?)
Yes, the only realistic and planet-wide 100% safe solution is this: putting all the GPUs in safe cloud/s controlled by international scientists that only make math-proven safe AIs and only stream output to users.
Each user can use his GPU for free from the cloud on any device (even on phone), when the user doesn’t use it, he can choose to earn money by letting others use his GPU.
You can do everything you do now, even buy or rent GPUs, all of them just will be cloud math-proven safe GPUs instead of physical. Because GPUs are nukes are we want no nukes or to put them deep underground in one place so they can be controlled by international scientists.
Computer viruses we still didn’t 100% solve (my mom had an Android virus recently), even iPhone and Nintendo Switch got jailbroken almost instantly, there are companies jailbreak iPhones as a service. I think Google Docs never got jailbroken, and majorly hacked, it’s a cloud service, so we need to base our AI and GPU security on this best example, we need to have all our GPUs in an internationally scientist controlled cloud.
Else we’ll have any hacker write a virus (just to steal money) with an AI agent component, grab consumer GPUs like cup-cakes, AI agent can even become autonomous (and we know they become evil in major ways, want to have a tea party with Stalin and Hitler—there was a recent paper—if given an evil goal. Will anyone align AIs for hackers or hacker themself will do it perfectly (they won’t) to make an AI agent just to steal money but be a slave and do nothing else bad?)
Yeah, you should talk to someone who knows more about security than myself, but as a couple starting points;
This is not a thing, and likely cannot he a thing. You can’t prove an AI system isn’t malign, and work that sounds like it says this is actually doing something very different.
You can’t know that a given matrix multiplication won’t be for an AI system. It’s the same operation, so if you can buy or rent GPU time, how would it know what you are doing?
Thank you, for your interest David! Math-proven safe AIs are possible, our group has just achieved it (our researcher writes under a pseudonym for safety reasons, please, ignore it): https://x.com/MelonUsks/status/1907929710027567542
Why it’s math-proven safe? Because it’s fully static, an LLM by itself is a giant static geometric shape in a file, only GPUs make it non-static, agentic. It’s called place AI, it’s a type of tool AI.
To address you second question, there is a way to know if a given matrix multiplication is for AI or not. In the cloud we’ll have a math-proven safe AI model inside of each math-proven safe GPU: GPU hardware will be remade to be an isolated unit that just spits out output: images, text, etc. Each GPU is an isolated math-proven safe computer, the sole purpose of this GPU computer is safety and hardware+firmware isolation of the AI model from the outside world.
But the main priority is putting all the GPUs in the international scientists controlled clouds, they’ll figure out the small details that are left to resolve. Almost all current GPUs (especially consumer ones) are 100% unprotected from the imminent AI agent botnet (think a computer virus but much worse), we can’t switch off the whole Internet.
Please, refer to the link above for further information. Thank you for this conversation!
You very much do not know what you are talking about, as that linked “explanation” makes clear.
I’m not sure if you’re honestly confused, or intentionally wasting peoples time, but either way, you should spend an hour or two asking 4o to explain in detail why an expert in AI would object to this, and think about the answers.
Interesting, David, I understand, if I would’ve found a post by Melon and flaws in it, I would’ve become not happy, too. But I found out that this whole forum topic is about both crazy and not ideas, preliminary ideas, about steel-manning each other and little things that may just work. Not dismissing based on flaws, of course there will be a lot.
We live in unreasonable times and the AI solution quite likely will look utterly unreasonable at first.
Chatting with a bot is a good idea, actually, I’ll convey it. You never said what is the flaw, though) Just bashed and made it personal (did the thing we agreed not to do here, it’s preliminary and crazy ideas here, remember?)
Thank you for your open mind and your time