I partly agree with these concerns, but think the solution should be very different. As I’ve argued for quite some time, EA should not be a community, but should be much larger. That is, EA needs to be a movement, not a question.
What would this look like? I think three central points capture most of this, with the latter two emerging from the first.
Effective Altruism as a community, or affiliation, or description, isn’t a goal.
Giving effectively needs to be about giving effectively, not about identity.
Career choice needs to be about people and goals, not about movement building.
I think this incidentally addresses the problems with the growth funnel model; we’re not trying to get people into groups, we’re trying to get them to give effectively and pick careers that are impactful. This is directly in contrast with your claim that we should be aiming for engagement instead of trying to aim for concrete goals. In fact, promoting community is exactly where you’d expect Goodharting and self-promotion in place of concrete goals, and self-dealing and community building replace impact.
This also addresses selection effects—if we’re not focused on community, we don’t need to select on beliefs. Anyone donating to any cause they choose effectively is signing on. Any progress towards goals that improve the present and future is success, regardless of whether it comes from those affiliated with our community.
And according to this model, we’re far more successful than CEA will ever be able to take credit for, because it’s one organization, and is not what matters for whether EA succeeds.
So is the Gates Foundation EA? Not if we care about community and direct affiliation, but absolutely if we care about goals. Is Progress Studies EA? Not if we focus on affiliation, but yes if we care about effective career focuses and decision making. Are Vitalik Buterin, or Michael Bloomberg, or Eric Schmidt, or MacKenzie Scott (Bezos) effectively giving? Not if we care about which cause areas are being supported, but yes if we care about the ethos of picking causes, trying to figure out how to actually do good, and voting with dollars donated.
Perhaps it doesn’t even matter whether people hate effective altruism as a movement, if they are raising money for the global poor. I think the change in culture around giving has been enormous, and it’s partially due to the movement to give money effectively and care about changing the world, even if the movement itself is, as the post claims, dying.
I think principles first stewardship is a partial answer to how to move forward, but I also want the idea of EA as a brand to die. As I have said in the past, I hope that EA does not meaningfully exist in the future, and that it’s seen as a movement which succeeded; to the extent that the shell remains, it shouldn’t matter. The fact that many younger people reject feminism or wokeness doesn’t mean that the movements lost, it often means they were successful enough that it’s hard to even question the things they started out to accomplish. And yes, the organizations left over from the successes of movements like feminism and civil rights keep pushing, but the principal successes are behind them. Their current work may be good, or damaging, or whatever, but it doesn’t matter, because they won the fights they were built to have.
I want that for EA. I want a future where EA as a community doesn’t matter, but effective giving and caring about impact are so commonplace people don’t realize they were once unusual. And I think that’s a path we’re actually able to continue walking, and a goal we could reach—even without EA as a brand.
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