Having a space that is intellectually-edgy, but not edge-lord maxing seems extremely valuable. Especially given how controversial some EA ideas were early on (and how controversial wild animal welfare and AI welfare still are).
In fact, I’d go further and suggest that it would be great if they were to set up their own forum. This would allow us to nudge certain discussions into an adjacent, not-explicitly EA space instead of discussing it here.
Certain topics are a poor fit for the forum because they rate high on controversy + low-but-non-zero on relevance to EA. It’s frustrating having these discussions on the forum as it may turn some people off, but at the same time declaring these off-topic risks being intellectually stiffling. Sometimes things turn out to be more important than you thought when you dive into the details. So I guess I’d really love to see another non-EA space end up being the first port of call for such discussions, with the hope that only the highest quality and most relevant ideas would make it over to the EA forum.
Although I have mixed feelings on the proposal, I’m voting insightful because I appreciate that you are looking toward an actual solution that at least most “sides” might be willing to live with. That seems more insightful than what the Forum’s standard response soon ends up as: rehashing fairly well-worn talking points every time an issue like this comes up.
In fact, I’d go further and suggest that it would be great if they were to set up their own forum.
Manifold already has a highly active discord, where they can discuss all the manifold-specific issues. This did not prevent the EA Forum from discussing the topic, and I doubt it would be much different if Manifold had a proper forum instead of a discord.
This is annoying because many of these discussions rate high on controversy but low on importance for EA.
It might seem low on importance for EA to you, but I suspect some people who are upset about Manifest inviting right-wing people do not consider it low-importance.
Oh, I wasn’t referring to redirecting the discussions about Manifest onto a new forum. More discussions about pro-natalism or genetic engineering to improve welfare. To be clear, I was suggesting a forum associated with Manifest rather than one more narrowly associated with Manifold.
Let Manifest be Manifest.
Having a space that is intellectually-edgy, but not edge-lord maxing seems extremely valuable. Especially given how controversial some EA ideas were early on (and how controversial wild animal welfare and AI welfare still are).
In fact, I’d go further and suggest that it would be great if they were to set up their own forum. This would allow us to nudge certain discussions into an adjacent, not-explicitly EA space instead of discussing it here.
Certain topics are a poor fit for the forum because they rate high on controversy + low-but-non-zero on relevance to EA. It’s frustrating having these discussions on the forum as it may turn some people off, but at the same time declaring these off-topic risks being intellectually stiffling. Sometimes things turn out to be more important than you thought when you dive into the details. So I guess I’d really love to see another non-EA space end up being the first port of call for such discussions, with the hope that only the highest quality and most relevant ideas would make it over to the EA forum.
Although I have mixed feelings on the proposal, I’m voting insightful because I appreciate that you are looking toward an actual solution that at least most “sides” might be willing to live with. That seems more insightful than what the Forum’s standard response soon ends up as: rehashing fairly well-worn talking points every time an issue like this comes up.
Considering how much skepticism there is in EA about forecasting being a high priority cause area anyway, this seems like an ok idea :)
Manifold already has a highly active discord, where they can discuss all the manifold-specific issues. This did not prevent the EA Forum from discussing the topic, and I doubt it would be much different if Manifold had a proper forum instead of a discord.
It might seem low on importance for EA to you, but I suspect some people who are upset about Manifest inviting right-wing people do not consider it low-importance.
Oh, I wasn’t referring to redirecting the discussions about Manifest onto a new forum. More discussions about pro-natalism or genetic engineering to improve welfare. To be clear, I was suggesting a forum associated with Manifest rather than one more narrowly associated with Manifold.