In my understanding, EigenKarma only creates bubbles if it also acts as a default content filter. If, for example, it is just displayed near usernames, it shouldn’t have this effect but would still retain its use as a signal of trustworthiness.
Also, sometimes creating a bubble—a protected space—is exactly what you want to achieve, so it might be the correct tool to use in specific contexts.
It’s the first time I read about this, so please correct me if I’m misunderstanding.
One class of examples could be when there’s an adversarial or “dangerous” environment. For example:
Bots generating low-quality content.
Voting rings.
Many newcomers entering at once, outnumbering the locals by a lot. Example: I wouldn’t be comfortable directing many people from Rational Animations to the EA Forum and LW, but a karma system based on Eigen Karma might make this much less dangerous.
Another class of examples could be when a given topic requires some complex technical understanding. In that case, a community might want only to see posts that are put forward by people who have demonstrated a certain level of technical knowledge. Then they could use EigenKarma to select them. Of course, there must be some way to enable the discovery of new users, but how much of a problem this is depends on implementation details. For example, you could have an unfiltered tab and a filtered one, or you could give higher visibility to new users. There could be many potential solutions.
Right, the first class are the use cases that the OP put forward, and vote brigading is something that the admins here handle.
The second class is more what I asking about, so thank you for explaining why you would want a conversation bubble. I think if you’re going to go that far for that reason, you could consider a entrance quiz. Then people who want to “join the conversation” could take the quiz, or read a recommended reading list, and then take the quiz, to gain entrance to your bubble.
I don’t know how aversive people would find that, but if lack of technical knowledge were a true issue, that would be one approach to handling it while still widening the group of conversation participants.
In my understanding, EigenKarma only creates bubbles if it also acts as a default content filter. If, for example, it is just displayed near usernames, it shouldn’t have this effect but would still retain its use as a signal of trustworthiness.
Also, sometimes creating a bubble—a protected space—is exactly what you want to achieve, so it might be the correct tool to use in specific contexts.
It’s the first time I read about this, so please correct me if I’m misunderstanding.
Personally, I find the idea very interesting.
Can you explain with an example when a bubble would be a desirable outcome?
One class of examples could be when there’s an adversarial or “dangerous” environment. For example:
Bots generating low-quality content.
Voting rings.
Many newcomers entering at once, outnumbering the locals by a lot. Example: I wouldn’t be comfortable directing many people from Rational Animations to the EA Forum and LW, but a karma system based on Eigen Karma might make this much less dangerous.
Another class of examples could be when a given topic requires some complex technical understanding. In that case, a community might want only to see posts that are put forward by people who have demonstrated a certain level of technical knowledge. Then they could use EigenKarma to select them. Of course, there must be some way to enable the discovery of new users, but how much of a problem this is depends on implementation details. For example, you could have an unfiltered tab and a filtered one, or you could give higher visibility to new users. There could be many potential solutions.
Right, the first class are the use cases that the OP put forward, and vote brigading is something that the admins here handle.
The second class is more what I asking about, so thank you for explaining why you would want a conversation bubble. I think if you’re going to go that far for that reason, you could consider a entrance quiz. Then people who want to “join the conversation” could take the quiz, or read a recommended reading list, and then take the quiz, to gain entrance to your bubble.
I don’t know how aversive people would find that, but if lack of technical knowledge were a true issue, that would be one approach to handling it while still widening the group of conversation participants.