HLI fucked up their analysis, but because it was public we found out about it. Most EAs are too fearful to expose their work to scrutiny. Compare them to others who work on mental health within EA...
Most coaches and therapists in EA don’t do any rigorous testing of whether what they are doing actually works. They don’t even allow you to leave public reviews for them. I think we’re the only organisation to even have a TrustPilot!!!
I don’t think the problem is that HLI got too much hate for fucking up, it’s that everyone else gets too little hate for being opaque.
Now HLI have been dragged through the mud, you can bet your ass they won’t be making the same mistakes again. So long as they keep being transparent, they’ll keep learning and growing as an org. Others will keep making the same mistakes indefinitely, only we’ll never know about it and will continue blindly trusting them.
I agree that more orgs should get this kind of scrutiny. I agree that we are likely to blindly trust orgs that don’t transparently discuss their inst workings, which is super sad.
Interesting reflection on Mental health providers too, be that’s not a world I know!
This argument I struggle with...
“I don’t think the problem is that HLI got too much hate for fucking up, it’s that everyone else gets too little hate for being opaque”
I realize you are probably beinga bit tongue in cheek, but I think we could criticise and discuss while being more encouraging and positive. We are all human, to and I’m not sure piling on the “hate” will necessarily lead to improvement in epistemics and rigorous analysis.
HLI fucked up their analysis, but because it was public we found out about it. Most EAs are too fearful to expose their work to scrutiny. Compare them to others who work on mental health within EA...
Most coaches and therapists in EA don’t do any rigorous testing of whether what they are doing actually works. They don’t even allow you to leave public reviews for them. I think we’re the only organisation to even have a TrustPilot!!!
I don’t think the problem is that HLI got too much hate for fucking up, it’s that everyone else gets too little hate for being opaque.
Now HLI have been dragged through the mud, you can bet your ass they won’t be making the same mistakes again. So long as they keep being transparent, they’ll keep learning and growing as an org. Others will keep making the same mistakes indefinitely, only we’ll never know about it and will continue blindly trusting them.
I agree that more orgs should get this kind of scrutiny. I agree that we are likely to blindly trust orgs that don’t transparently discuss their inst workings, which is super sad.
Interesting reflection on Mental health providers too, be that’s not a world I know!
This argument I struggle with...
“I don’t think the problem is that HLI got too much hate for fucking up, it’s that everyone else gets too little hate for being opaque”
I realize you are probably beinga bit tongue in cheek, but I think we could criticise and discuss while being more encouraging and positive. We are all human, to and I’m not sure piling on the “hate” will necessarily lead to improvement in epistemics and rigorous analysis.