It seems like the safety community is much smaller than the capabilities community
my model is that EAs are the coolest and smartest people in the world and that status among them matters to people. so this argument seems weird to me for the same reason that it would be weird if you argued that young earth creationists shouldn’t be low status in the community since there are so many of them.
i mean there seems to be a very considerable EA to capabilities pipeline, even.
i mean if i understand your argument, it can just be applied to anything. shitheads are in the global majority on like any dimension.
EAs may be the smartest people in your or my social circle, but they are likely not be the smartest people in the social circles of top ML people, for better or for worse. I suspect “coolest” is less well-defined and less commonly shared as a concept, as well.
yes i dont actually think that EAs are the globally highest status in the group in the world. my point here is that local status among EAs does matter to people; absolute numbers of “people in the world who agree with x” seems like a consideration that can be completely misleading in many cases. an implicit theory of change probably needs to be quite focused on local status.
i mean there’s a compelling argument i’m vegan due to social pressure from the world’s smartest and coolest people. i want the smartest and coolest people in the world to like me and being vegan sure seems to matter there. i don’t buy an argument that the smartest and coolest people in the world should do less to align status among them with animal welfare. they seem to be quite locally effective at persuading people.
like if you think about the people you personally know, who seem to influence people around them (including yourself) to be much more ethical, i would be quite surprised to learn that hugbox norms got them there.
my model is that EAs are the coolest and smartest people in the world and that status among them matters to people. so this argument seems weird to me for the same reason that it would be weird if you argued that young earth creationists shouldn’t be low status in the community since there are so many of them.
i mean there seems to be a very considerable EA to capabilities pipeline, even.
i mean if i understand your argument, it can just be applied to anything. shitheads are in the global majority on like any dimension.
EAs may be the smartest people in your or my social circle, but they are likely not be the smartest people in the social circles of top ML people, for better or for worse. I suspect “coolest” is less well-defined and less commonly shared as a concept, as well.
yes i dont actually think that EAs are the globally highest status in the group in the world. my point here is that local status among EAs does matter to people; absolute numbers of “people in the world who agree with x” seems like a consideration that can be completely misleading in many cases. an implicit theory of change probably needs to be quite focused on local status.
i mean there’s a compelling argument i’m vegan due to social pressure from the world’s smartest and coolest people. i want the smartest and coolest people in the world to like me and being vegan sure seems to matter there. i don’t buy an argument that the smartest and coolest people in the world should do less to align status among them with animal welfare. they seem to be quite locally effective at persuading people.
like if you think about the people you personally know, who seem to influence people around them (including yourself) to be much more ethical, i would be quite surprised to learn that hugbox norms got them there.