I’m confused about this comment tbh. I can’t tell if we just have very different life experiences or if there is some cognitive fallacy thing going on where it’s easier to generate examples for my position than examples against my position.
For example, (in my family’s lore) my grandfather was asked to cover up a (as I understand it) minor instance of corruption by his superior. He refused to do so, and was majorly screwed over during Cultural Revolution times as a result. Now this example isn’t a clean one since “doing the right thing, even when it’s hard” here pointed against fraud, and he in fact did not choose to do so. But I think I would not have faulted him if he chose protecting his family over loyalty to the party for some pretty minor thing. Particularly since his actual choice could easily have counterfactually resulted in my own non-existence.
As another example, at least some forms of American whistleblower animal activism involve skirting the edges of ag-gag laws, which may involve falsifying documents to be allowed access to factory farms to be able to film atrocities. Now maybe their moves here are unethical (I personally would hesitate to lie to an employer to that extent, though it’s unclear if this is judicious moral reasoning or just insufficient bravery). But I think this is at least the type of question that’s subject to debate, and I would not want to condemn such actions without substantially more detailed thinking and debate.
Note however that the post above only condemns fraud at FTX, not globally.
Those sound closer to what I’d think of as fraud, although I also wouldn’t encourage the fraudulent option in either case! But no, I really didn’t think of either of those examples when trying to generate examples of fraud that people might think is morally good
I’m confused about this comment tbh. I can’t tell if we just have very different life experiences or if there is some cognitive fallacy thing going on where it’s easier to generate examples for my position than examples against my position.
For example, (in my family’s lore) my grandfather was asked to cover up a (as I understand it) minor instance of corruption by his superior. He refused to do so, and was majorly screwed over during Cultural Revolution times as a result. Now this example isn’t a clean one since “doing the right thing, even when it’s hard” here pointed against fraud, and he in fact did not choose to do so. But I think I would not have faulted him if he chose protecting his family over loyalty to the party for some pretty minor thing. Particularly since his actual choice could easily have counterfactually resulted in my own non-existence.
As another example, at least some forms of American whistleblower animal activism involve skirting the edges of ag-gag laws, which may involve falsifying documents to be allowed access to factory farms to be able to film atrocities. Now maybe their moves here are unethical (I personally would hesitate to lie to an employer to that extent, though it’s unclear if this is judicious moral reasoning or just insufficient bravery). But I think this is at least the type of question that’s subject to debate, and I would not want to condemn such actions without substantially more detailed thinking and debate.
Note however that the post above only condemns fraud at FTX, not globally.
Those sound closer to what I’d think of as fraud, although I also wouldn’t encourage the fraudulent option in either case! But no, I really didn’t think of either of those examples when trying to generate examples of fraud that people might think is morally good