because EAs are the primary culprits in EA’s recent reputational dip
I agree, EA was just unusually fertile ground for a self-inflicted reputational dip but I don’t think that “Jumping ship” is very explanatory (outside maybe AI Policy circles). EA’s have been self-critical before EAs did bad things, many people (incl. me, guilty) have always felt uncomfortable identifying as EA. Many prominent figures also never seemed very committed to a single, persistent EA community. See for example this short exchange between Owen Cotton-Barret and Will MacAskill from 2017 (~4:30-5:30):
Owen Cotton-Barrat: When science was still relatively small, everyone could be in touch with everybody else. But now science works as a global discipline where lots of people subscribe to a scientific mindset. But there isn’t a science community, there are lots of science communities. And I think in the longterm we need something like this with effective altruism. Will MacAskill: This sounds pretty plausible in the long-run. The question is at what stage are we analogously to scientific development? Owen Cotton-Barrat: In the spirit of being bold, I think this is something we should be paying attention to within a decade. Will MacAskill: Ok, that seems reasonable.
Interesting exchange there. I agree that the vision should be to have EA so in-the-water that most people don’t realize they’re doing “Effective Altruism.” I’m very uncertain about how you get from here to there. I doubt it makes sense to shrink or downplay the existing EA community. My intuition is you want to scale up the memes at every level. Right now we’re selling everything to buy more AI safety memes. It’s going okay, but it’s risky and I’m conscious of the costs to everything else.
I agree, EA was just unusually fertile ground for a self-inflicted reputational dip but I don’t think that “Jumping ship” is very explanatory (outside maybe AI Policy circles). EA’s have been self-critical before EAs did bad things, many people (incl. me, guilty) have always felt uncomfortable identifying as EA. Many prominent figures also never seemed very committed to a single, persistent EA community. See for example this short exchange between Owen Cotton-Barret and Will MacAskill from 2017 (~4:30-5:30):
Interesting exchange there. I agree that the vision should be to have EA so in-the-water that most people don’t realize they’re doing “Effective Altruism.” I’m very uncertain about how you get from here to there. I doubt it makes sense to shrink or downplay the existing EA community. My intuition is you want to scale up the memes at every level. Right now we’re selling everything to buy more AI safety memes. It’s going okay, but it’s risky and I’m conscious of the costs to everything else.