I think your latter points are better supported than your first point and I hope people keep reading long enough to get there. Additionally, I am upvoting this post because I agree with the lessons you are trying to share regardless of whether we should apply the lessons to the community’s reaction to SBF specifically (I think we probably should, but like, probably not do a 180 degree pivot to be all fluffy rainbows about it and act like it was okay).
Anyway, I’m just happy to see someone talking about loyalty, mistakes, other worlds, compassion, and stuff. These are important issues. And even if they were not that important, and should be just a small weighting of how we should decide how to react to SBF, they still should be factored in yet so far no one has brought them up.
And yeah it sucks that me saying I upvoted this post means I might get downvoted. Hold your trigger fingers plz :(
Thank you—I think you did a good job of capturing what I was trying to say. we shouldn’t go full fluffy rainbows, and we should directionally update against SBF compared to before FTX imploded; but what I’m seeing is way overcorrected and I’m trying to express why.
I just wanted to mention that this comment tripped my “bravery debate” detector. I still upvoted it because honestly the bravery debate framing seems correct here, and I said something similar in my own comments earlier. But then again, everyone who engages in bravery debates thinks their framing is accurate. So let’s be careful not to give posts additional weight just because they’re speaking against majority EA opinion.
No, I’m just used to, as a woman, buttering most comments up (irl and online) in unnatural ways to not be seen as a bitch or low-intelligence or a clueless outsider. Right now I’m tired so maybe I over-corrected here, but living life in that way does cause anxiety, so that’s also a genuine anxious tone you’re catching. I read the other comments and they are getting upvotes when they clarify that they don’t really agree with the post or like it. I think I agree with and like the post more than the other commentors and have been considering writing similar.
It sucks that there is pretty much always someone ready to thumbs you down now matter how you word things, and it feels reasonable to spare a few words in the cases where it is most likely. (and this comment has no anxious tone because I see that is frowned upon here even though I’m now actually more anxious about this comment than the first one)
Very reasonable! I understand you feel like you have to walk a fine line in order to not trigger social disapproval of your words; I think that’s bad, and to be clear, I did not mean to make it seem like I disapproved of your comment. I wish EA could be a place where everyone felt comfortable speaking naturally without having to add a bunch of disclaimers.
People speaking up at risk to themselves does come with increased credibility and/or deserves attention, especially when it’s in opposition to a dogpiley bandwagon narrative that many people may feel obligated to be on the safe side of, without actually knowing or caring much about the matter.… or because they might feel slightly less insignificant watching the downfall of someone who had accomplished (and given) more in a couple years than they will do in a lifetime.
I think your latter points are better supported than your first point and I hope people keep reading long enough to get there. Additionally, I am upvoting this post because I agree with the lessons you are trying to share regardless of whether we should apply the lessons to the community’s reaction to SBF specifically (I think we probably should, but like, probably not do a 180 degree pivot to be all fluffy rainbows about it and act like it was okay).
Anyway, I’m just happy to see someone talking about loyalty, mistakes, other worlds, compassion, and stuff. These are important issues. And even if they were not that important, and should be just a small weighting of how we should decide how to react to SBF, they still should be factored in yet so far no one has brought them up.
And yeah it sucks that me saying I upvoted this post means I might get downvoted. Hold your trigger fingers plz :(
Thank you—I think you did a good job of capturing what I was trying to say. we shouldn’t go full fluffy rainbows, and we should directionally update against SBF compared to before FTX imploded; but what I’m seeing is way overcorrected and I’m trying to express why.
I just wanted to mention that this comment tripped my “bravery debate” detector. I still upvoted it because honestly the bravery debate framing seems correct here, and I said something similar in my own comments earlier. But then again, everyone who engages in bravery debates thinks their framing is accurate. So let’s be careful not to give posts additional weight just because they’re speaking against majority EA opinion.
No, I’m just used to, as a woman, buttering most comments up (irl and online) in unnatural ways to not be seen as a bitch or low-intelligence or a clueless outsider. Right now I’m tired so maybe I over-corrected here, but living life in that way does cause anxiety, so that’s also a genuine anxious tone you’re catching. I read the other comments and they are getting upvotes when they clarify that they don’t really agree with the post or like it. I think I agree with and like the post more than the other commentors and have been considering writing similar.
It sucks that there is pretty much always someone ready to thumbs you down now matter how you word things, and it feels reasonable to spare a few words in the cases where it is most likely. (and this comment has no anxious tone because I see that is frowned upon here even though I’m now actually more anxious about this comment than the first one)
Very reasonable! I understand you feel like you have to walk a fine line in order to not trigger social disapproval of your words; I think that’s bad, and to be clear, I did not mean to make it seem like I disapproved of your comment. I wish EA could be a place where everyone felt comfortable speaking naturally without having to add a bunch of disclaimers.
People speaking up at risk to themselves does come with increased credibility and/or deserves attention, especially when it’s in opposition to a dogpiley bandwagon narrative that many people may feel obligated to be on the safe side of, without actually knowing or caring much about the matter.… or because they might feel slightly less insignificant watching the downfall of someone who had accomplished (and given) more in a couple years than they will do in a lifetime.