I agree with almost everything you say here (still have my doubts about the frugality thing).
but I also don’t think these choices were entirely innocuous as you’re making them sound.
I didn’t mean to imply that all these things were innocuous. “Choosing not to look carefully” isn’t innocuous – but most of Germany did it in WW2. I think there’s an important distinction between “dark agency” (what Sam had) vs. a more passive “lack of high integrity,” which is how I’d describe the patterns you’re describing in your last comment here. I feel like “lack of high integrity” is a good phrasing. You may say it’s a euphemism, but I think it’s important to highlight that “high integrity” is difficult to cultivate and therefore rare. Also, I think people often develop high integrity after they fuck something up and are given a second chance. (I think this becomes less likely if they make mistakes later in life – but you never know and maybe some people can turn their mental habits at age 30+!)
In any case, I agree that both things (“dark agency” and “lack of high integrity”) are bad. I’d even claim that people tend to overrate the importance of whether bad things are done with fully-conscious bad intent/bad faith vs. (partly) unconscious hidden motives and self-deception. Still, I feel like it’s useful to be precise in what we’re accusing someone of, because the stuff that isn’t fully conscious seems quite common and isn’t always “irredeemable.” I would strongly vote against people who don’t have high integrity to have leadership positions, but I don’t think it warrants much more drastic steps like “I wouldn’t work with a person who is like that.” In fact, I could very much see myself from age 21-25 making mistakes very similar to Will’s if I had been in his situation, and I certainly don’t think my past self was a terrible person. (And I’m kicking myself for not having become more worried about FTX and about the implications of a potential collapse of FTX for EA after I pointed out to others how it seems very suspicious that Sam was defending the cryptocurrency tether. It’s long been a pet peeve of mine that tether seems like a potentially big fraud and people in crypto are totally insane to tolerate it!) I don’t know what your exact view is on these distinctions. I could image that you’re mostly upset about this particular issue because of the important position of responsibility that Will is in. And that makes perfect sense to me – we should hold leaders to especially high standards! So, maybe we don’t disagree too much. I think some of your phrasings in earlier comments, or maybe just the strongly condemnatory attitude, conveyed to me that you might be accusing will of “dark agency” and I thought that was unwarranted.
I agree with almost everything you say here (still have my doubts about the frugality thing).
I didn’t mean to imply that all these things were innocuous. “Choosing not to look carefully” isn’t innocuous – but most of Germany did it in WW2. I think there’s an important distinction between “dark agency” (what Sam had) vs. a more passive “lack of high integrity,” which is how I’d describe the patterns you’re describing in your last comment here. I feel like “lack of high integrity” is a good phrasing. You may say it’s a euphemism, but I think it’s important to highlight that “high integrity” is difficult to cultivate and therefore rare. Also, I think people often develop high integrity after they fuck something up and are given a second chance. (I think this becomes less likely if they make mistakes later in life – but you never know and maybe some people can turn their mental habits at age 30+!)
In any case, I agree that both things (“dark agency” and “lack of high integrity”) are bad. I’d even claim that people tend to overrate the importance of whether bad things are done with fully-conscious bad intent/bad faith vs. (partly) unconscious hidden motives and self-deception. Still, I feel like it’s useful to be precise in what we’re accusing someone of, because the stuff that isn’t fully conscious seems quite common and isn’t always “irredeemable.” I would strongly vote against people who don’t have high integrity to have leadership positions, but I don’t think it warrants much more drastic steps like “I wouldn’t work with a person who is like that.” In fact, I could very much see myself from age 21-25 making mistakes very similar to Will’s if I had been in his situation, and I certainly don’t think my past self was a terrible person. (And I’m kicking myself for not having become more worried about FTX and about the implications of a potential collapse of FTX for EA after I pointed out to others how it seems very suspicious that Sam was defending the cryptocurrency tether. It’s long been a pet peeve of mine that tether seems like a potentially big fraud and people in crypto are totally insane to tolerate it!) I don’t know what your exact view is on these distinctions. I could image that you’re mostly upset about this particular issue because of the important position of responsibility that Will is in. And that makes perfect sense to me – we should hold leaders to especially high standards! So, maybe we don’t disagree too much. I think some of your phrasings in earlier comments, or maybe just the strongly condemnatory attitude, conveyed to me that you might be accusing will of “dark agency” and I thought that was unwarranted.