Great points. Thank you for writing this up. I think it’s a strong and fair critique of the strategy of actions like this, and would love to see more discussion at this high level of context and analysis.
(I expect you understand the legal arguments at play, but I do want to reemphasize for other readers that I stand behind the ultimate legality of all actions I took at the first Ridglan rescue in March, using a basic necessity defense argument: “you’d break a window to save a dog stuck in locked car on a hot day”, e.g., sometimes property damage is legal to avoid a foreseeable imminent harm. We can argue whether the harms at Ridglan are foreseeable or imminent, but I believe they were and that’s the basis for why I chose to do what I did. I wasn’t there for the one last weekend in April and don’t have a settled opinion about it yet.)
To respond to part of your very good post, I feel that we should be able to discuss and analyze nonviolent direct action and other forms of civil disobedience in EA spaces. I engaged in this action in part because I think EA folks don’t think about this kind of thing enough and I want to raise the salience of civil disobedience, at least as at least a secondary or tertiary sort of thing that EA should have as levers. I don’t think it is ever likely to be primary and I don’t want it to be, but I also don’t want it to be ignored and I think it largely has been around here.
A chunk of your argument boils down to what’s good for the overall EA brand. I strongly agree that there are bright lines I would not want the community to cross (e.g. endorsing or promoting violence). I think nonviolent direct action falls on the “OK” side of the line for me, but I agree there is probably a useful discussion to be had here, and am open to more arguments on this.
What would you say in response to a conservative abortion clinic protestor who makes the same argument you’re making? “It was ethically necessary for me to kidnap the doctor who was about to start their shift at Planned Parenthood. Yes, it’s normally illegal to kidnap people, but those babies* were in imminent danger of being killed by the doctor, and it’s permissible to break laws to avoid a forseeable imminent harm.” (*The conservative protestor believes that fetuses have equal moral status to babies, the same way you and I believe that pigs have equal moral status to dogs.)
A better analogy of non violent direct action would be breaking in to disable the clinic’s capabilities to provide abortions (without harming anybody).
In this case, the protesters would be subject to the same penalties under the law that the Ridglan protesters are. That being said, there is a case that what is happening to the dogs is illegal (311 counts of animal cruelty documented already). I’m wary of an appeal to authority bias here—just because they are not enforcing the law doesn’t mean what Ridglan is doing is legal. As pointed out, the necessity defense is being tested here, and has reason for consideration.
Great points. Thank you for writing this up. I think it’s a strong and fair critique of the strategy of actions like this, and would love to see more discussion at this high level of context and analysis.
(I expect you understand the legal arguments at play, but I do want to reemphasize for other readers that I stand behind the ultimate legality of all actions I took at the first Ridglan rescue in March, using a basic necessity defense argument: “you’d break a window to save a dog stuck in locked car on a hot day”, e.g., sometimes property damage is legal to avoid a foreseeable imminent harm. We can argue whether the harms at Ridglan are foreseeable or imminent, but I believe they were and that’s the basis for why I chose to do what I did. I wasn’t there for the one last weekend in April and don’t have a settled opinion about it yet.)
To respond to part of your very good post, I feel that we should be able to discuss and analyze nonviolent direct action and other forms of civil disobedience in EA spaces. I engaged in this action in part because I think EA folks don’t think about this kind of thing enough and I want to raise the salience of civil disobedience, at least as at least a secondary or tertiary sort of thing that EA should have as levers. I don’t think it is ever likely to be primary and I don’t want it to be, but I also don’t want it to be ignored and I think it largely has been around here.
A chunk of your argument boils down to what’s good for the overall EA brand. I strongly agree that there are bright lines I would not want the community to cross (e.g. endorsing or promoting violence). I think nonviolent direct action falls on the “OK” side of the line for me, but I agree there is probably a useful discussion to be had here, and am open to more arguments on this.
What would you say in response to a conservative abortion clinic protestor who makes the same argument you’re making? “It was ethically necessary for me to kidnap the doctor who was about to start their shift at Planned Parenthood. Yes, it’s normally illegal to kidnap people, but those babies* were in imminent danger of being killed by the doctor, and it’s permissible to break laws to avoid a forseeable imminent harm.” (*The conservative protestor believes that fetuses have equal moral status to babies, the same way you and I believe that pigs have equal moral status to dogs.)
Kidnapping somebody would be a violent action.
A better analogy of non violent direct action would be breaking in to disable the clinic’s capabilities to provide abortions (without harming anybody).
In this case, the protesters would be subject to the same penalties under the law that the Ridglan protesters are. That being said, there is a case that what is happening to the dogs is illegal (311 counts of animal cruelty documented already). I’m wary of an appeal to authority bias here—just because they are not enforcing the law doesn’t mean what Ridglan is doing is legal. As pointed out, the necessity defense is being tested here, and has reason for consideration.