Again, a fan of you and your approach David, but I think you underestimate just how hostile/toxic Émile has been toward all of EA. I think it’s very fair to substitute one for the other, and it’s the kind of thing we do all the time in real, social settings. In a way, you seem to be emulating a hardcore ‘decoupling’ mindset here.
Like, at risk of being inflammatory, an intuition pump from your perspective might be:
It is possible that many complaints about Trump are true and also that Trump raises important concerns. I would not like to see personal criticism of Trump become a substitute for engagement with criticism by Trump.
I think many EAs view ‘engagement with criticism by Torres’ in the same way that you’d see ‘engagement with criticism by Trump’, that the critic is just so toxic/bad-faith that nothing good can come of engagement.
As a tangent, I think EAs should avoid using partisan political examples as intuition pumps for situations like this.
Liberals might think that ‘engagement with criticism by Trump’ would be worthless. But conservative crypto investors might think ‘engagement with criticism by Elizabeth Warren’ would be equally worthless.
Let’s try to set aside the reflexive Trump-bashing.
Again, a fan of you and your approach David, but I think you underestimate just how hostile/toxic Émile has been toward all of EA. I think it’s very fair to substitute one for the other, and it’s the kind of thing we do all the time in real, social settings. In a way, you seem to be emulating a hardcore ‘decoupling’ mindset here.
Like, at risk of being inflammatory, an intuition pump from your perspective might be:
I think many EAs view ‘engagement with criticism by Torres’ in the same way that you’d see ‘engagement with criticism by Trump’, that the critic is just so toxic/bad-faith that nothing good can come of engagement.
As a tangent, I think EAs should avoid using partisan political examples as intuition pumps for situations like this.
Liberals might think that ‘engagement with criticism by Trump’ would be worthless. But conservative crypto investors might think ‘engagement with criticism by Elizabeth Warren’ would be equally worthless.
Let’s try to set aside the reflexive Trump-bashing.