I think I disagree with a bunch of what you said there: I don’t think good AIS involves being on good side of AI labs necessarily (tho I think there are good arguments for this), I think large movement building without getting a full pause would be a big win for PauseAI and that many EAs would agree with this (despite the fact that I and maybe them know little about social movements), and I do think making simple statements reflects negatively from a whole host of perspectives and should be taken pretty seriously.
I’d be interested in hearing how you/others at pause AI have tracked how much of this marginal improvements to advocacy you have been doing so far is. What are the wins? What were the costs? Happy to also get on a call with someone about this.
If there are real numbers on this (I know it’s hard in spaces like yours), I’d be curious about hearing why they aren’t often posted on the forum/LW, as that, I think, would be more helpful to people (and tracking the cost-effectiveness of AIS in general is super underrated, so this would be good).
If you don’t have the numbers, I would ask why you are so confident that this is actually the right approach.
Oh, sorry. I asked my friend, and they said it was Stop AI—not Pause AI. They basically protested in the middle of a talk with the CEA CEO saying things like he is a murderer, which I just think is pretty nuts. That is my bad, though. I have edited that part out of my initial comment.
Yeah they really did us dirty by basically stealing our name when I kicked the founders out of PauseAI because they want to do illegal things and disruptive stunts like that.
I think I disagree with a bunch of what you said there: I don’t think good AIS involves being on good side of AI labs necessarily (tho I think there are good arguments for this), I think large movement building without getting a full pause would be a big win for PauseAI and that many EAs would agree with this (despite the fact that I and maybe them know little about social movements), and I do think making simple statements reflects negatively from a whole host of perspectives and should be taken pretty seriously.
I’d be interested in hearing how you/others at pause AI have tracked how much of this marginal improvements to advocacy you have been doing so far is. What are the wins? What were the costs? Happy to also get on a call with someone about this.
If there are real numbers on this (I know it’s hard in spaces like yours), I’d be curious about hearing why they aren’t often posted on the forum/LW, as that, I think, would be more helpful to people (and tracking the cost-effectiveness of AIS in general is super underrated, so this would be good).
If you don’t have the numbers, I would ask why you are so confident that this is actually the right approach.
What stunt at EAG?
Oh, sorry. I asked my friend, and they said it was Stop AI—not Pause AI. They basically protested in the middle of a talk with the CEA CEO saying things like he is a murderer, which I just think is pretty nuts. That is my bad, though. I have edited that part out of my initial comment.
Yeah they really did us dirty by basically stealing our name when I kicked the founders out of PauseAI because they want to do illegal things and disruptive stunts like that.
Yea, sorry about that. That really sucks.