To be clear, I didn’t mean to criticize you or anyone personally. [...] Also, I agree that we shouldn’t spend much time on finding a precise ’quota
Yeah, to be clear, I didn’t get the impression of being criticised in a way that singles me out quite specifically, and my points about being inclined not to discuss the precise amount of (2) and (3) I should do was not me saying “You’ve said too much about this already!”, but rather “I’m a little concerned that this thread could become overly spicy and contentious” (and I primarily had in mind other people jumping in; I wasn’t worried about comments you’d write). I think the comments so far have been civil, as I mentioned.
on current margin, we should probably err on the side of having a little more diversity in what we recommend
Agreed.
Not upvoting a list with 50 white males trending on the front page and implicitly endorse this as the EA cannon seems a really low bar.
I’m not totally sure I agree, partly because every Forum post starts out on the front page, and I think it’d be really easy for EA to be flooded with a bunch more recommendation lists. So I think (a) I estimate a lower chance that this list ends up being extremely prominent than you do, and (b) if we’re worried about this list being too prominent, I think the best solution is just to vigorously encourage the posting of more lists (including ones with more demographically diverse authors).
As you noted, the Wiblin, Beckstead, and Muehlhauser lists are already quite prominent, and also skew towards male, white, WEIRD, etc. So I think it may be the case that “the only way out is through”—i.e., the best way to prevent there being too much focus on a small set of lists is to post more, not to avoid posting.
But, that of course wouldn’t fix the demographic diversity issue, unless those other lists either happen to include or are encouraged to include more demographic diversity. So you highlighting this with your comment seems useful.
(But I genuinely just mean “I’m not totally sure I agree”; I think your sentence is a reasonable claim.)
judging by the downvotes I got
Yeah, I don’t like that your comment is currently on net negative karma. I’m going to strong upvote it for balance’s sake, and make a separate comment about that.
Yeah, to be clear, I didn’t get the impression of being criticised in a way that singles me out quite specifically, and my points about being inclined not to discuss the precise amount of (2) and (3) I should do was not me saying “You’ve said too much about this already!”, but rather “I’m a little concerned that this thread could become overly spicy and contentious” (and I primarily had in mind other people jumping in; I wasn’t worried about comments you’d write). I think the comments so far have been civil, as I mentioned.
Agreed.
I’m not totally sure I agree, partly because every Forum post starts out on the front page, and I think it’d be really easy for EA to be flooded with a bunch more recommendation lists. So I think (a) I estimate a lower chance that this list ends up being extremely prominent than you do, and (b) if we’re worried about this list being too prominent, I think the best solution is just to vigorously encourage the posting of more lists (including ones with more demographically diverse authors).
As you noted, the Wiblin, Beckstead, and Muehlhauser lists are already quite prominent, and also skew towards male, white, WEIRD, etc. So I think it may be the case that “the only way out is through”—i.e., the best way to prevent there being too much focus on a small set of lists is to post more, not to avoid posting.
But, that of course wouldn’t fix the demographic diversity issue, unless those other lists either happen to include or are encouraged to include more demographic diversity. So you highlighting this with your comment seems useful.
(But I genuinely just mean “I’m not totally sure I agree”; I think your sentence is a reasonable claim.)
Yeah, I don’t like that your comment is currently on net negative karma. I’m going to strong upvote it for balance’s sake, and make a separate comment about that.