Does anyone know of good investigations of the impact of technological unemployment? Any EA people/orgs that have looked at it?
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One aspect of my moral uncertainty has to do with my impact on other people.
If other people have different moral systems/priorities, then isn’t ‘helping’ them a projection of your own moral preferences?
On the one hand, I’m pretty sure nobody wants malaria—so it seems simple to label malaria prevention as a good thing. On the other hand, the people you are helping probably have very different moral tastes, which means they could think that your altruism is useless or even negative. Does that matter?
I think this is a pretty noob-level question, so maybe you can point me to where I can read more about this.
I was unaware there was a desktop app. There is, and they just released global shortcuts, which has helped a lot!
I’ll probably write a post on this, but I think it would disappoint people If it’s too weird I’ll just stop reading! I like my familiarity points system, but when you publish everything online it might be prudent to consider weirdness. Perhaps a shareable document for those interested?
Thank you for posting this Peter, I find these useful!
A couple questions:
1) How do you use Toggl? Desktop app? Mobile? Do you also use Rescuetime? I’ve found it difficult to use Toggl when I’m away from the computer, during social/break/food/cleaning/interruptions/errands/other time. Maybe I just need to get in the habit of pulling out my phone and start/stopping the timer? 2) How do you do food? I spend a lot of time on food (buying, cooking, eating) each week, and I enjoy it but would be open to time saving techniques (especially when it comes to veggies)
Thanks again!
Commenting here to express my willingness to participate, however this pans out. I expect my contribution won’t be more than a couple hundred dollars.
Thanks Robert, this is great!
Do you listen to any media while you’re exercising? Music? Books on tape?
I prefer Bitton’s, because otherwise it seems like “good” is modifying “figuring out”.
Cool topic, but I’m still trying to figure out what EA is about! I have a feeling that I’ll be able to articulate a blind spot eventually.
Neat!
If you’re looking for cool socially-oriented for-profits in the developing world, maybe we could open up the question to the FB group.
This sounds like a really neat project. A few questions:
Would you want to include editing? Music?
What length would you want to target? 1 hour? 20 minutes?
Any idea of what line of questioning you might pursue? Impact metrics? Career plans? Hobbies? Personal philosophy? All of the above?
Perhaps Ben meant social entrepreneurship, which is often geared towards the developing world? Forbes 30 under 30 has some ideas for what those projects can be. If you don’t like those, I recommend filtering through the Ashoka fellows. The most recent Ashoka fellow started a foundation/for-profit combo called Soronko Solutions, which teaches kids programming and sells tech solutions to startups.
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In general, if you’re going to run a normal for-profit business in the developing world that sells products or provides a service, you’re probably not going to make very much money. Money goes further in the developing world because you don’t make as much.
If you want to help other people, the logic is to register as a non-profit and get some of those philanthropy dollars. Many non-profits work to cultivate entrepreneurship, with a few approaches:
What Givewell calls economic empowerment, e.g. providing capital, skills training, mentorship, government advocacy, etc. The Global Entrepreneurship Monitor has a long list of entrepreneurship indicators, and could be a starting point to inspire work in under-addressed areas.
Social franchising, whether it is re-selling micro irrigation systems or opening rural health stores.
For-profit / Non-profit hybrids like the Ashoka example mentioned above.
I’ve probably done a terrible job of introducing the topic, but I’m going to cut myself off before the rest of my day disappears.
Are you trying to imagine like a silicon valley of the developing world?
Nice summary Ryan.
Indeed, I think the biggest challenge in terms of spreading EA is what I call “extended responsibility.” Many people have difficulty taking responsibility for their own lives, let alone their family or community. EA asks you to take responsibility for the whole world, and then carry that responsibility with you for your whole life. Holy crap.
After that, the next big ask is for rational methodologies. Even if people take responsibility for their kids, they probably will rely on intuition and availability heuristics.
So discussion around EA advocacy (which is what I believe to be the topic here) could be better focused around “how to move people towards extended responsibility and rational methodologies”.
Of course, that could seem like a soft approach that doesn’t immediately get donations to GiveDirectly. Some of the strategies I outlined in my other comment can be used in an instance where you’d like to hard sell.
Hey Peter,
I think it’s important to highlight that this article is about weirdness in the context of advocacy.
While I enjoyed the message, I’m concerned about the negative approach. People (especially weird ones) tend to be afraid of social rejection, and setting up a framework for failure (spending too many weirdness points) instead of a framework for success (winning familiarity points) can create a culture of fear/guilt around one’s identity. I believe this is why some EAs had a cautious reaction to this article.
I love connecting with people, and I’ve found the most effective way to do so is to be vulnerable, instead of conservative. This has psychological and philosophical underpinnings, which I don’t have room to expound on here.
So I propose a different metric: familiarity points. People want to affirm you, just as they want to be affirmed. We are all (including EAs, I’ve discovered) fundamentally human in how we’ve figured out how the world works. If you can tap into the basic emotions and thoughts that have brought you to your position, in a way that is familiar to others, then you can share your perspective and gain familiarity points at the same time.
You can also gain easy familiarity points with something that a lot of people are comfortable with, like talking about sports or movies. These are cheap points and not very valuable, but you can leverage them if you dig a little deeper. If you’ve both seen Inception, great. But if you can both talk about idiosyncrasies in Christopher Nolan’s directing over his past 5 movies, then you’re getting more familiarity points. You’ve found something that you’re both weird about, and this gains you FAR more traction than simply “not scaring them off”.
Once you have gained enough familiarity points, you can start introducing unfamiliar ideas, but from a much better grounding. “You know, I was thinking about how Nolan portrays the world’s collapse in Interstellar, and I was wondering what existential risks are really a problem, so I started reading material from FHI.” This is the foot-in-the-door technique, but since you already have familiarity points, you’ve got a warm lead, instead of a cold one (to continue the sales lingo). Or, you can use the door-in-face technique: “speaking of Interstellar, I have some crazy ideas about AI development.” Because you have familiarity points, your interlocutor wants to hear more – they consider you a kindred spirit, and thus might have some great new information (you are crazy like me, I want to hear your crazy ideas).
Of course, it’s also important to incorporate expectation-setting and have preexisting constructions for conversation entry and the “close”. But I’m getting too long-winded. Maybe I should write a post.
Hey all,
The EA Book Club will be meeting before this assembly (2:30pm Eastern time) to discuss Will MacAskill’s new book, Doing Good Better. RSVP Here.
p.s. I’m excited to hear about projects during the Assembly, and possibly share my own (just applied!)