Born and raised in west Germany (NRW)
studied Bioscience in Münster (focus on neuroscience, botany and genetics)
went to Bonn for an internship at the UN and decided international diplomatic work isn’t for me
spent 6 months as teaching assistant for a botany course at the University in Münster
moved to Utrecht (NL) for my masters (Neuroscience, Ecology, Behaviour and Science Communication)
lived in Australia for 2 years for fun (hit me up for chats about van life, traveling on a budget and working at a winery)
landed in Freiburg i.Br. in Germany in 2018 and loving it so far
worked in the medical tech field for two years before starting to work for EAD in 2023
cause areas I personally regard important & interesting: global health & development, mental health, reducing extreme suffering, inclusion & equity, peacekeeping & improving democratic governance, improving institutional decision making, biorisks, EA community building
interests/hobbies: nature, bouldering, cooking & eating, mountain biking, hiking, reading, yoga, meditation, self reflection, birds, psychology, art, history, …
Milena Canzler
EA Germany Community Health Documents & Processes
Edit: I wrote the following without consulting with my team, in private manner only. This does not represent the position or views of EA Germany, nor is it intended as an official statement.
Thanks to the EV boards for deciding to publish this.
As someone who’s directly supported several people right after, and in the months after other sexual misconduct situations, I want to support @Vaipan’s sentiment. The comments defending Owen Cotton-Barratt’s character are clearly well-intentioned and not meant to harm those women who remain silent and anonymous. Although they are not meant that way, the comments might hurt those women and discourage others in similar positions to come forward. Reactions like these are part of the reason why victims of abuse and assault remain silent, they are perceived as reminders that the perpetrator matters more than the victim(s). Depending on he severity of the harm caused, they might cause retraumatization by giving the impression that everyone is supporting the person in power and not caring about the people harmed.
I don’t think there’s an easy fix for that: Owen Cotton-Barratt is not anonymous, and a prominent figure (at least in the UK community). As such, people will want to give their personal testimony of what threat he might pose or not. The women who reported him remain anonymous—no one will come to defend their character or great deeds for the community, since no one knows who they are. [To make this clear: they should remain anonymous for as long as they wish.]
This pattern also happens in a context of similar reactions that people grow up with (e.g. media coverage of sexual assault cases). So while the comments in this case might not want to defend Owen’s actions, they are still easily perceived as hitting the same note.
[I previously suggested some ways to comment here, but deleted them after further discussion with others. I just wish we wouldn’t forget the victims so often.]
Hi Ezra, thanks a lot for writing this. I hope you’ll be able to go back to your family soon!
I think your question about the type of death someone experiences if quite important. While he numbers are important too, the suffering experienced during/before death, and the suffering caused by maliciousness must play an important part in how we weigh up these losses. I would think that one very important aspect of this is the intention—a natural disaster or a disease don’t have intention, whereas a murderer does, and leads its victims and the loved ones of those to suffer more as a result.
Thank you so much for writing this amazing, long, deep post. Thanks you for mustering up the strength to engage with the forum (even though it doesn’t feel like a very safe space), and for speaking to the Times. As another woman, I wish it wasn’t necessary, but it seemed to have been.
I would love to see more of your writing, I think the other posts in your sequence could be super interesting and would hopefully inform many people in this community.
Yes, in this specific context it’s a crux for me. If someone hosted a new person of the community at their house in a foreign country, and then made sexual advances at them, I’d not want that person to host newcomers/foreigners again.
Edit: I’m writing in personal capacity here, this is not a statement by EA Germany.
Thanks a lot for writing this, Alix. I can only heartily agree. I’m fairly fluent in English, having studied abroad and lived in an English-speaking country for a few years. Still, especially in deep intellectual conversations, I find myself struggling to explain concepts in English more than in German. I notice too that I sometimes find myself having a hard time keeping up with the speed of talking, especially with people from bigger cities like New York or London.
Keeping in mind that I’m very fluent in English, and now trying to extrapolate that experience to people who have e.g. a B3 level of proficiency, I can see why many people wouldn’t be able to engage with the EA community, let alone get into a position of influence.
Not a content comment, but just a thank you for writing this intro to your blog and summary. I hadn’t heard of the blog yet, but am super interested in reading it!
Thanks for writing down your thoughts, Severin!
That was cool to read :) And matches with some of the basic (though not easy) things I’ve heard again and again from friends who do consulting for the IT teams in big companies: psychological safety is key for a good and productive work environment. But it’s easier said than done, and requires a lot of investment into stuff that might appear non-essential.
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I agree, thanks a lot Ezra! This is super interesting to read, and a great summary of my still vague impression of what our national group is able to offer to the many local groups scattered throughout Germany.
Super interesting, and it seems like a good alternative to food in a bottle for sure. Unfortunately I don’t think I could live on this, because I derive so much joy from cooking and eating :D
For anyone else considering this diet, but wants more variety/tastiness easily, I have some suggestions:
add frozen berries to the porridge, they have amazing nutritional value
use smoked tofu instead of plain, it adds so much taste
rotate the green veggies in winter: kale and brussel sprouts are in season, and more nutritionally valuable than out-of-season broccoli
Hi Frances,
thanks for putting this out here, I enjoyed reading it as another Community Builder and someone who works on Community Health.
I’ll give my opinions to your questions (as I don’t think of these as answers). I’d be keen to read what you think :)
1. I can’t really speak for programs reaching high schoolers, these don’t currently exist in Germany. If they did, I’d want to thoroughly lace them with lots of messages about making sure to explore others paths, opinions, ideas than just EA, and having friends that don’t have anything to do with EA.
For our regular outreach at universities: Our young team in Germany has taken the general attitude of developing EA as a professional environment with space for personal connection. But the focus lies on professional networking, learning and mentorship. Plus, I personally recommend and encourage people that I speak to to have non-EA friends, try out non-EA work environments, and learn from non-EA sources. I think that’s one way to avoid filling a hole and get people to lock into the EA system for fear of changing gears.
2. I would say a mix of both. EA is a system (with the informal hierarchies and emphasis on networking, and an express focus on ambition) that is imo more likely than other systems to create people looking to stay “inside”, or getting burnt out while trying to prove themselves. I think recent efforts to professionalize the movement more are one way of guarding against this.
3. Advice for younger people (all this is pretty basic, but I think important to stress especially with the non-conforming people we often attract):Follow simple rules about work, like: Don’t accept work without a contract, maintain a degree of separation between work and private life, take breaks & vacations to recharge.
Make sure to explore at the start of your career, and explore outside of EA too.
Find a mentor with more work experience than you, ideally in the field you aspire to enter.
This is a marathon not a sprint. If you want to make an impact with your career, make sure you can sustain one for 30-odd years.
Most of us are still pretty young and in the process of figuring it out. Some of the work culture at central EA orgs might change over time as people age and mature.
as EA moved from global health, to AI safety, the core EA principles remained the same, but the messaging changed.
I think that’s the first time I’ve seen this written as clearly as here, and I don’t really like it or agree. My impression is that there are many people attracted to EA not because of AIS, who also won’t become interested in AIS/aren’t the right fit for that field. If the money for community building comes mainly from an interest to attract more people into AIS (as it sounds here), and is mainly intended for that, why keep funding EA in general? I would welcome more nuanced portrayals what EA community building aims to support, like facilitating other types of longtermist career changes, creating an intellectual community motivated by similar moral goals, and supporting people who have changed their careers to stick with their paths.
On the last, and in line with what Elisabeth pointed to: I also get the impression that you forget to mention the value of community for keeping strong values, and sticking to your plan. Especially if you move in a work culture that incentivizes very different values than what EAs tend to value. Having a community of like-minded people with similar core values is important for those who won’t change careers anymore, but want to stick to the highly impactful ones they have chosen to pursue. The value of community to them comes from helping them stick to their path.
“Lastly, I find sexual abuse to be distinctly disturbing in that it’s a perversion of something that’s supposed to be enjoyable, an act of trust, and a celebration of life.”
THIS. Like looking forward to eating your favorite dessert, and the moment you take a bite, it tastes like vomit.
Hi Ulrik, if you’re anyplace else than Germany, try to reach out to (ideally) your National organizing team if you have one. I’ve talked to a lot of them in the last weeks, and the question of how to make EA spaces more inclusive and welcoming for people is on most people’s mind. Sometimes they don’t have the time to start a project on that, but maybe you can kickstart something like it in your region, or even internationally :)
Hi Moya!
Welcome to the forum from another person in southern Germany. I’m curious: Are you connected to the Darmstadt local group? If so, hope to see you at the next event in the area (I live in Freiburg). Would love to connect and hear what your perspective on EA is!
Also, the password manager story is too relatable. ^^
Cheers, Mila
Thanks for asking, Jeff, I see why that might be confusing.
I was thinking of a statement such as:
“I want to first pay my respect to the people who have been harmed by X’s actions. I want to ask readers to remember that these people might have contributed greatly to our community too, and that several people were harmed by one person.”
If you combine someone frequently expressing sexual/romantic interest in you when there’s a power differential, that is a problem. It might mean, especially when the person who’s doing that is your boss/mentor/someone more senior than you, that you don’t feel like you can (clearly) refuse. When this is a situation involving a junior woman and a senior man, social behavior patterns of women being afraid of telling someone “no” often make this worse.
Even if both people are interested in each other, the way they relate to each other in an organization should ideally be changed to reduce the power differential. This is a standard procedure in some countries, e.g. Israel.
Amazing accomplishments, Mel! Congratulations also for growing your team to include another human (not to disrespect cat teammates...).
Re language: We face the same problem in Germany. The best comparison to Barcelona would likely be the Berlin group, since they have not only Germans, but international members as well. If you want to have a chat, reach out to me, Sarah Tegeler or Patrick Gruban for general strategic stuff, and if you want to talk to someone in Berlin, Martin Wicke is the core organizer there. He might also be a good contact point for discussions about transient populations.
I still don’t understand why the University of Oxford was not cooperative with the institute, and why later it decided to freeze it completely. What was that about?