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Though I think the conclusion may well be correct, this argument doesn’t seem valid to me. Thinking about it more produced some ideas I found interesting.
Imagine that we instead had only one group of beneficiaries: all conscious beings. We could run the same argument—this group exhausts all possible beneficiaries, etc. -- and conclude that discovering new beneficiary groups isn’t helpful. However, breaking down “conscious beings” into present and future groups, and breaking down further into humans and animals, has in fact been very helpful, so we would have been wrong to stop looking for beneficiary groups.
From where we stand now, I can imagine discovering more useful beneficiary groups by breaking down the three you highlight further. Arguably, this is what happened with people in extreme poverty: they are a very help-able subgroup. Similarly, factory-farmed animals seem to be a very help-able subgroup of non-human animals, and maybe chickens are the most-help-able. Maybe the discovery of more very help-able subgroups, e.g. subgroups of future conscious beings (artificial beings? future animals?) or subgroups of wild animals (species that suffer a lot in the wild?), will lead to big EA breakthroughs in the future.
Of course, which groups are help-able basically depends on the interventions available, so splitting EA research into “find new beneficiary groups” and “find new interventions” is a blurry distinction.
You ended up pretty substantially impacting the follow-up.
That’s great, thanks for letting me know! Score one for posting on fora :)
Good point, thanks Daniel!
I do think that our tendency to understand “helping people who currently exist” as “helping people in extreme poverty” probably neglects some other effective causes in that area. Some of Open Phil’s work I see this way—for example, the possibility that US criminal justice policy is so bonkers that in the right circumstances, we could create lots of good for current people through political change on that front. If EA Policy Analytics ends up having success, I would put them in this category, too.
This makes me want to split off “people in extreme poverty” into a distinct group of beneficiaries—I suspect that for many the “aha!” moment in their EA journey was realizing that these people exist and can be helped. Also, it seems to me that the interventions available for helping people in extreme poverty are quite different from interventions that help richer people; AMF won’t help richer people much, and direct cash transfers help richer people less. However, this would complicate the three-way split that you highlight here.
I found this very illuminating, thanks!
Nitpick: You say “There are altruistic activities which fall outside this grouping – for example, working to improve biodiversity for its own sake. But these don’t improve anyone’s well-being, and so fall outside the scope of effective altruism,” but I thought EA was defined more broadly than that. My understanding of EA is that if you really think that e.g. preserving biodiversity for its own sake is more worthwhile than the other causes then that’s fine, EA can help you find the most effective way to do that. I would have said that the reason why non-well-being-improving causes aren’t part of the EA Big Three is because very few people think those causes are more urgent than well-being-improving causes in the first place. Thoughts?
Learning about Wild Animal Suffering has changed my views about environmentalism, specifically about conserving natural habitats for their own sake. I still think environmentalism is important, but as a means to improving human lives by reducing pollution and improving food and water security.
There is a new facebook group to discuss Effective Environmentalism if you are interested.
It’s ambiguous whether non-welfare focussed moral pursuits (e.g. effective aesthetics) could count.
Over time the term effective altruism has come to be used to describe only welfare-focussed actions. As a result ‘biodiversity promotion for its own sake’ would fall outside common usage of the term effective altruism today, and would probably need a new term like ‘effective ecology’.
This is a great article, Michelle! Looking forward very much to the follow-up.
Thank you!
Anyone up for working on CRISPR-based gene drives to this end?
Nice overview but the decision making process for choosing a cause isn’t (or shouldn’ be) axiomatic and arbitrary based on choosing who should benefit, but rather it should depend on various estimates and calculations about the value derived from various efforts. To say that we’d support a cause merely because we support the people it helps is a bit of a simplification.
Bostrom has pointed out that X-risk could well be the best cause area for helping extant persons as well: http://www.nickbostrom.com/astronomical/waste.html
Really interesting piece! It helps to frame things in the “beneficiaries” category, thanks very much for that framing!
This was one part I’m confused about. May it not be the case that new intervention types will be highly effective in the future?
For example, one intervention type I can think of it to get other people who are currently non-EAs to care more about addressing the needs of the three beneficiary groups. It seems that such an intervention, if effective and broad enough, may be a high magnitude improvement.
Yes, I agree. ‘Fewer orders of magnitude of improvement’ does not preclude a hugely significant improvement. I’ll try to be clearer in my next post.