I think the substance of your take may be right, but there is something that doesn’t sit well with me about an EA suggesting to other EAs (essentially) “I don’t think EAs should talk about this publicly to non-EAs.” (I take it that is the main difference between discussing this on the Forum vs. Twitter—like, “let’s try to have EA address this internally at least for now.”) Maybe it’s because I don’t fully understand your justification—”there is room for people to walk back and apologize”—but the vibe here feels a bit to me like “as EAs, we need to control the narrative around this (‘there is an appropriate level of publicity,’)” and that always feels a bit antithetical to people reasoning about these issues and reaching their own conclusions.
I think I would’ve reacted differently if you had said: “I don’t plan to talk about this publicly for a while because of x, y, and z” without being prescriptive about how others should communicate about this stuff.
I think in general people don’t really understand how virality works in community dynamics. Like there are actions that when taken cannot be reversed.
I don’t say “never share this” but I think sharing publicly early will just make it much harder to have a vulnerable discussion.
I don’t mind EAs talking about this with non-EAs but I think twitter is sometimes like a feeding frenzy, particularly around EA stuff. And no, I don’t want that.
Notably, more agree with me than disagree (though some big upvotes on agreement obscure this—I generally am not wild about big agreeevotes).
As I’ve written elsewhere I think there is a spectrum from private to public. Some things should be more public than they are and other things more private. Currrently I am arguing this is about right. I thought that it turned out many issues with FTX were too private.
I think that a mature understanding of sharing things is required for navigating vulnerable situations (an I imagine you agree—many disliked the sharing of victims names around the time article why because that was too public for that information in their opinion)
I appreciate that you said it didn’t sit well with you. It doesn’t really sit well with me either. I welcome someone writing it better
Yeah, again, I think you might well be right on the substance. I haven’t tweeted about this and don’t plan to (in part because I think virality can often lead to repercussions for the affected parties that are disproportionate to the behavior—or at least, this is something a tweeter has no control over). I just think EA has kind of a yucky history when it comes to being prescriptive about where/when/how EAs talk about issues facing the EA community. I think this is a bad tendency—for instance, I think it has, ironically, contributed to the perception that EA is “culty” and also led to certain problematic behaviors getting pushed under the rug—and so I think we should strongly err on the side of not being prescriptive about how EAs talk about issues facing the community. Again, I think it’s totally fine to explain why you yourself are choosing to talk or not talk about something publicly.
I guess I plan for the future, not the past. But I agree that my stance is generally more public than most EAs. I talk to journalists about stuff, for instance, and I think more people should.
I think the substance of your take may be right, but there is something that doesn’t sit well with me about an EA suggesting to other EAs (essentially) “I don’t think EAs should talk about this publicly to non-EAs.” (I take it that is the main difference between discussing this on the Forum vs. Twitter—like, “let’s try to have EA address this internally at least for now.”) Maybe it’s because I don’t fully understand your justification—”there is room for people to walk back and apologize”—but the vibe here feels a bit to me like “as EAs, we need to control the narrative around this (‘there is an appropriate level of publicity,’)” and that always feels a bit antithetical to people reasoning about these issues and reaching their own conclusions.
I think I would’ve reacted differently if you had said: “I don’t plan to talk about this publicly for a while because of x, y, and z” without being prescriptive about how others should communicate about this stuff.
Yeah i get that.
I think in general people don’t really understand how virality works in community dynamics. Like there are actions that when taken cannot be reversed.
I don’t say “never share this” but I think sharing publicly early will just make it much harder to have a vulnerable discussion.
I don’t mind EAs talking about this with non-EAs but I think twitter is sometimes like a feeding frenzy, particularly around EA stuff. And no, I don’t want that.
Notably, more agree with me than disagree (though some big upvotes on agreement obscure this—I generally am not wild about big agreeevotes).
As I’ve written elsewhere I think there is a spectrum from private to public. Some things should be more public than they are and other things more private. Currrently I am arguing this is about right. I thought that it turned out many issues with FTX were too private.
I think that a mature understanding of sharing things is required for navigating vulnerable situations (an I imagine you agree—many disliked the sharing of victims names around the time article why because that was too public for that information in their opinion)
I appreciate that you said it didn’t sit well with you. It doesn’t really sit well with me either. I welcome someone writing it better
Yeah, again, I think you might well be right on the substance. I haven’t tweeted about this and don’t plan to (in part because I think virality can often lead to repercussions for the affected parties that are disproportionate to the behavior—or at least, this is something a tweeter has no control over). I just think EA has kind of a yucky history when it comes to being prescriptive about where/when/how EAs talk about issues facing the EA community. I think this is a bad tendency—for instance, I think it has, ironically, contributed to the perception that EA is “culty” and also led to certain problematic behaviors getting pushed under the rug—and so I think we should strongly err on the side of not being prescriptive about how EAs talk about issues facing the community. Again, I think it’s totally fine to explain why you yourself are choosing to talk or not talk about something publicly.
I guess I plan for the future, not the past. But I agree that my stance is generally more public than most EAs. I talk to journalists about stuff, for instance, and I think more people should.
I imagine we might agree in cases.