Yeah this is pretty damning. At this point, being pro-Anthropic is like being pro-FTX in early 2022.
(EDITED to add, following David Manheim’s recommendation: downvoters and disagree-voters note: there was actually far less publicly available information to update on FTX being bad in early 2022.)
I don’t think it is like being pro-FTX in early 2022
1) Back then hardly anyone knew about the FTX issues. Here we’re discussing issues where there is a lot of public information 2) SBF was hiding a mass fraud that was clearly both illegal and immorral. Here we are not discussing illegailities or fraud, but whether a company is being properly honest, transparent and safe? 3) SBF was a promotor of EA and to some degree held up on an EA pedestal. Here Anthropic is the opposite, trying to distance themselves from the movement.
Fair points. I was more thinking in broad terms of supporting something that will most likely turn out hugely negative. I think it’s pretty clear already that Anthropic is massively negative expected value for the future of humanity. And we’ve already got the precedent of OpenAI and how that’s gone (and Anthropic seems to be going the same way in broad terms—i.e. not caring about endangering 8 billion people’s lives with reckless AGI/ASI development).
I just think Anthropic leaders being un-candid about their connection to EA is pretty weak evidence that they’re doing fraud or something like what FTX did. (It’s positive evidence, but weak.)
I was thinking less in terms of fraud/illegality, and more in terms of immorality/negative externalities (i.e. they are recklessly endangering everyone’s lives).
Yeah this is pretty damning. At this point, being pro-Anthropic is like being pro-FTX in early 2022.
(EDITED to add, following David Manheim’s recommendation: downvoters and disagree-voters note: there was actually far less publicly available information to update on FTX being bad in early 2022.)
I don’t think it is like being pro-FTX in early 2022
1) Back then hardly anyone knew about the FTX issues. Here we’re discussing issues where there is a lot of public information
2) SBF was hiding a mass fraud that was clearly both illegal and immorral. Here we are not discussing illegailities or fraud, but whether a company is being properly honest, transparent and safe?
3) SBF was a promotor of EA and to some degree held up on an EA pedestal. Here Anthropic is the opposite, trying to distance themselves from the movement.
Seems very different to me.
Fair points. I was more thinking in broad terms of supporting something that will most likely turn out hugely negative. I think it’s pretty clear already that Anthropic is massively negative expected value for the future of humanity. And we’ve already got the precedent of OpenAI and how that’s gone (and Anthropic seems to be going the same way in broad terms—i.e. not caring about endangering 8 billion people’s lives with reckless AGI/ASI development).
I just think Anthropic leaders being un-candid about their connection to EA is pretty weak evidence that they’re doing fraud or something like what FTX did. (It’s positive evidence, but weak.)
I was thinking less in terms of fraud/illegality, and more in terms of immorality/negative externalities (i.e. they are recklessly endangering everyone’s lives).
Downvoters note: there was actually far less publicly available information to update on FTX being bad in early 2022.
You should add an edit to clarify the the claim, not just reply.