I’m a bit surprised to see a ‘What went badly?’ section without at least mentioning FTX. Even a very small mistake in this area would be vastly more important that cost overruns at EAG. Similarly, you mention the criticism contest, but in retrospect I think a red-teaming contest with >200 entries that failed to surface FTX risk was a disappointment.
Hi Larks, as we mentioned in the post (especially the last two sections) we’re actively reflecting on what, if anything, we should have done differently around FTX. I’m not yet confident what the conclusion of that will be, so it seemed premature to include it in the mistakes section, but maybe we should have mentioned it still.
Once we’re done with our reflection, we’ll share more about our takeaways and (if necessary) update our mistakes page etc.
Re criticism contest, agree that it’s a disappointment that that contest didn’t surface more criticism of FTX. I also think that overall it drove some meaningful and useful criticism of core EA ideas and institutions, and that’s worth highlighting. Not sure if we got the right balance between those two sides in the post.
Thanks for sharing this review.
I’m a bit surprised to see a ‘What went badly?’ section without at least mentioning FTX. Even a very small mistake in this area would be vastly more important that cost overruns at EAG. Similarly, you mention the criticism contest, but in retrospect I think a red-teaming contest with >200 entries that failed to surface FTX risk was a disappointment.
Hi Larks, as we mentioned in the post (especially the last two sections) we’re actively reflecting on what, if anything, we should have done differently around FTX. I’m not yet confident what the conclusion of that will be, so it seemed premature to include it in the mistakes section, but maybe we should have mentioned it still.
Once we’re done with our reflection, we’ll share more about our takeaways and (if necessary) update our mistakes page etc.
Re criticism contest, agree that it’s a disappointment that that contest didn’t surface more criticism of FTX. I also think that overall it drove some meaningful and useful criticism of core EA ideas and institutions, and that’s worth highlighting. Not sure if we got the right balance between those two sides in the post.
Which criticisms did you find meaningful or useful?
They do mention FTX in the section on community health, the text reads as if they’re still trying to figure out what went badly there.
Agree about the contest. Something was submitted but it wasn’t about blowup risk and didn’t rise to the top.