We are clearly trying to tell people that they shouldn’t update based on these allegations based on the things we explained in the post (e.g. it’s one-sided, emotionally loaded, etc).
I very much recommend not updating against him, for the reasons I explain in the post. If you do update, then I recommend you also update against Ben for doing this to us.
The thing is though that it is obviously not rational to do zero updating*. And you probably know this, since it is it obvious. So it’s hard not to conclude that you are doing it because at some (possibly not conscious) level you want people to think negatively about Ben, given that you believe he has treated you extremely unjustly and that this lead to the worst experience of your life.
*The problem with rumor is not that rumor is zero evidence, but that if everyone believes all rumors without question, things go very badly overall in predictable ways.
I also didn’t like that section at first, but if you read through it carefully you’ll notice that the language is very nebulous and that Kat doesn’t actually commit to very much. She only really claims that it is true that other people said bad things about Ben, not that she agrees that Ben is bad or that he did something bad. The fact that it sounds so bad I think makes Kat’s point pretty well. Her breakdown/defense of Ben afterwards also does a lot to diffuse the mud-slinging. (That said I would have chosen a different example.)
I think they are true but debatable about whether they are bad and the magnitude of the badness. I think most of the allegations would be scissor statements in the EA community about whether they’re bad and there’d be immense debate as to the magnitude of the badness.
I also know that for all of the accusations, either something is being done about it or the person does not want to do anything more about it, and I am respecting their wishes.
Ok so the allegations are true but might not be bad. I’m trying to picture what this might mean given that the victim regularly bursts into tears on the street. On a ten point badness magnitude scale, where are you pegging it?
We are clearly trying to tell people that they shouldn’t update based on these allegations based on the things we explained in the post (e.g. it’s one-sided, emotionally loaded, etc).
I very much recommend not updating against him, for the reasons I explain in the post. If you do update, then I recommend you also update against Ben for doing this to us.
The thing is though that it is obviously not rational to do zero updating*. And you probably know this, since it is it obvious. So it’s hard not to conclude that you are doing it because at some (possibly not conscious) level you want people to think negatively about Ben, given that you believe he has treated you extremely unjustly and that this lead to the worst experience of your life.
*The problem with rumor is not that rumor is zero evidence, but that if everyone believes all rumors without question, things go very badly overall in predictable ways.
Give. Me. A. Break.
In the comments below you say you personally think the allegations you allude to are true. You obviously thought they are worth sharing.
Tbh this alone basically updates me entirely to the position ‘kat woods is a bad actor’ without even reading the previous debate
I also didn’t like that section at first, but if you read through it carefully you’ll notice that the language is very nebulous and that Kat doesn’t actually commit to very much. She only really claims that it is true that other people said bad things about Ben, not that she agrees that Ben is bad or that he did something bad. The fact that it sounds so bad I think makes Kat’s point pretty well. Her breakdown/defense of Ben afterwards also does a lot to diffuse the mud-slinging. (That said I would have chosen a different example.)
I think they are true but debatable about whether they are bad and the magnitude of the badness. I think most of the allegations would be scissor statements in the EA community about whether they’re bad and there’d be immense debate as to the magnitude of the badness.
I also know that for all of the accusations, either something is being done about it or the person does not want to do anything more about it, and I am respecting their wishes.
Ok so the allegations are true but might not be bad. I’m trying to picture what this might mean given that the victim regularly bursts into tears on the street. On a ten point badness magnitude scale, where are you pegging it?