For what itâs worth, as someone that donates most of his income and is really uncomfortable around free-spending and fancy events, I think there are indeed some important concerns around this topic. I am grateful for parts of your comments.
But your focus on factually wrong examples, and even more so the very judgemental/âaggressive wording in this comment (the worst one yet), is really hurting the argument and making it impossible to have a conversation :(
Could you try to tone it down and make it less emotionally charged, focusing more on your main point than on insults and arguments about Michelin-starred restaurants that no one is dining at?
I was right[, almost]. The issue becomes not the misuse of funds, itâs me saying [not âfois grasâ but] âMichelinâ.
Again, the examples were never meant to be read as what actually occurred any one event. But that my deliberately hyperbolic example is identified so very closely with a real actual event just makes my point even more strongly. OK, I got the colour of the wallpaper wrong, sorry, but there really was an all expenses paid luxury jolly to the Bahamas. Itâs a scandal.
I note no one complains about the other factually wrong (because it too was made up) example about the much much cheaper 2-star plus pizza Bracknell event.
Again: I said there were two styles of event I would not be bribed to attend. Not only would I not attend the fine dining etc etc event, I would not attend the pizza etc etc one either. The response: âI wouldnât call the [actual] Bahamas event fine dining.â âThe towels werenât unusually fine.â âI didnât travel Business Class.â
Frankly it seems I donât know anywhere near the extent of all this abuse of funds. This is just the tip of the iceberg. This is what happens to money you (if the cap fits etc) solicit from me.
Some people are uncomfortable being associated in any way with this. What is the behaviour modification required? Mine! How about a more general expression of discomfort from more people about this so-called effective so-called altruism? Silence is acquiescence.
So itâs absolutely not money that was solicited from donors, or that someone donated thinking it would go to other causes.
I understand your shock and rage if you thought it was money donated for malaria bednets being misused, but thatâs definitely not the case. The negative/âadversarial language definitely did not help clearing this earlier.
For what itâs worth, as someone that donates most of his income and is really uncomfortable around free-spending and fancy events, I think there are indeed some important concerns around this topic. I am grateful for parts of your comments.
But your focus on factually wrong examples, and even more so the very judgemental/âaggressive wording in this comment (the worst one yet), is really hurting the argument and making it impossible to have a conversation :(
Could you try to tone it down and make it less emotionally charged, focusing more on your main point than on insults and arguments about Michelin-starred restaurants that no one is dining at?
I was right[, almost]. The issue becomes not the misuse of funds, itâs me saying [not âfois grasâ but] âMichelinâ.
Again, the examples were never meant to be read as what actually occurred any one event. But that my deliberately hyperbolic example is identified so very closely with a real actual event just makes my point even more strongly. OK, I got the colour of the wallpaper wrong, sorry, but there really was an all expenses paid luxury jolly to the Bahamas. Itâs a scandal.
I note no one complains about the other factually wrong (because it too was made up) example about the much much cheaper 2-star plus pizza Bracknell event.
Again: I said there were two styles of event I would not be bribed to attend. Not only would I not attend the fine dining etc etc event, I would not attend the pizza etc etc one either. The response: âI wouldnât call the [actual] Bahamas event fine dining.â âThe towels werenât unusually fine.â âI didnât travel Business Class.â
Frankly it seems I donât know anywhere near the extent of all this abuse of funds. This is just the tip of the iceberg. This is what happens to money you (if the cap fits etc) solicit from me.
Some people are uncomfortable being associated in any way with this. What is the behaviour modification required? Mine! How about a more general expression of discomfort from more people about this so-called effective so-called altruism? Silence is acquiescence.
I think there was an unfortunate misunderstanding. There was indeed an event in the Bahamas that had already been somewhat criticized, and people assumed you were referring to it.
I donât know the details, but it was funded by the Bahamas billionaire Sam_Bankman-Fried FTX foundation, https://ââforum.effectivealtruism.org/ââposts/ââsdjcH7KAxgB328RAb/ââftx-ea-fellowships
So itâs absolutely not money that was solicited from donors, or that someone donated thinking it would go to other causes.
I understand your shock and rage if you thought it was money donated for malaria bednets being misused, but thatâs definitely not the case. The negative/âadversarial language definitely did not help clearing this earlier.
Am I reading the situation correctly?