(I was expecting “Breaking: awkward nerds don’t know how to flirt”, not “One recalled being “groomed” by a powerful man nearly twice her age who argued that “pedophilic relationships” were both perfectly natural and highly educational”
Is that what you expected after accounting for a Chinese Robber effect, and that the journalist is actively looking for the worst stories they could find, and then framing them in the worst way they can manage?
Speaking on behalf of my own personal interactions with the reporter, the described events in the article are far much milder than what I really experienced. I did not want to tell the full severity of the story because I genuinely care about the Effective Altruism movement, and though numerous individual actors behaved in a coordinated and awful way, I still see the promise in having a positive conversation about how the movement can change.
That being said, if people try the same intimidation tactics on myself and my peers again, I will probably share more of the evidence I’ve gathered over the past year to give a clearer picture on what actually happened.
I did not want to tell the full severity of the story because I genuinely care about the Effective Altruism movement, and though numerous individual actors behaved in a coordinated and awful way, I still see the promise in having a positive conversation about how the movement can change.
Can you be more specific here; were you declining to tell the full severity of the story in order to protect the reputation of the EA movement? I would prefer you didn’t do that (but by the same logic, if you did, I very much appreciate you [EDIT: saying] so!). We can have a discussion about the relative merits of reputation vs integrity (as in https://sideways-view.com/2016/11/14/integrity-for-consequentialists/ ; I don’t endorse all the reasoning in that post) but I don’t really know where to start.
Separately, I would prefer if you share more of the evidence regardless of your reasons against doing so. Please let me know if I can do anything to make you or others more comfortable doing so!
What sort of institutional safeguards would enable you to share the full extent of what occurred assuming you wanted to share and it would help your healing (beyond what you’ve already written)?
I’d need a lot more context to form a judgment about that case. One person’s “grooming” is another person’s “hitting on,” and one person’s “pedophilia advocacy ” is another’s “high decoupling cognitive style.” And one person’s “twice the age” is another’s “I never got any memo that i can’t hit on adults half my age.”
I’m young enough that no adults are half my age, so this is just about my knowledge of Anglo culture. Is there some rule about age gaps between adults? I’ve seen some online snark about Leo DiCaprio but no claims that he and people like him are violating cultural norms by dating adults who are much younger than them.
(I was expecting “Breaking: awkward nerds don’t know how to flirt”, not “One recalled being “groomed” by a powerful man nearly twice her age who argued that “pedophilic relationships” were both perfectly natural and highly educational”
Is that what you expected after accounting for a Chinese Robber effect, and that the journalist is actively looking for the worst stories they could find, and then framing them in the worst way they can manage?
Speaking on behalf of my own personal interactions with the reporter, the described events in the article are far much milder than what I really experienced. I did not want to tell the full severity of the story because I genuinely care about the Effective Altruism movement, and though numerous individual actors behaved in a coordinated and awful way, I still see the promise in having a positive conversation about how the movement can change.
That being said, if people try the same intimidation tactics on myself and my peers again, I will probably share more of the evidence I’ve gathered over the past year to give a clearer picture on what actually happened.
Can you be more specific here; were you declining to tell the full severity of the story in order to protect the reputation of the EA movement? I would prefer you didn’t do that (but by the same logic, if you did, I very much appreciate you [EDIT: saying] so!). We can have a discussion about the relative merits of reputation vs integrity (as in https://sideways-view.com/2016/11/14/integrity-for-consequentialists/ ; I don’t endorse all the reasoning in that post) but I don’t really know where to start.
Separately, I would prefer if you share more of the evidence regardless of your reasons against doing so. Please let me know if I can do anything to make you or others more comfortable doing so!
What sort of institutional safeguards would enable you to share the full extent of what occurred assuming you wanted to share and it would help your healing (beyond what you’ve already written)?
Me too. Very distressing and sad.
Without further context, I have no reason to think the latter doesn’t mean the former. People spin things.
I’d need a lot more context to form a judgment about that case. One person’s “grooming” is another person’s “hitting on,” and one person’s “pedophilia advocacy ” is another’s “high decoupling cognitive style.” And one person’s “twice the age” is another’s “I never got any memo that i can’t hit on adults half my age.”
I got the memo
I’m young enough that no adults are half my age, so this is just about my knowledge of Anglo culture. Is there some rule about age gaps between adults? I’ve seen some online snark about Leo DiCaprio but no claims that he and people like him are violating cultural norms by dating adults who are much younger than them.