The School for Moral Ambition (SMA) is a new organisation which āwill help people switch careers to work on the most pressing issues of our timeā. SMAās co-founders are Jan Willem van Putten (co-founder of Training for Good), and Rutger Bregman (author of Humankind, Utopia for Realists, and an upcoming book on Moral Ambition,[1] inspired by the Effective Altruism movement).
From their website:
The School for Moral Ambition (SMA) is a new organisation that will focus on attracting the most talented people to work on the most pressing issues of our time. The activities of SMA fall into the following categories:
Book and Branding: Launch of Rutger Bregmanās book on the topic of moral ambitionāthe idea that peopleās talents should be used for working on global challenges. Launch of a corresponding campaign to establish a prestigious brand that attracts talent and sparks a movement around moral ambition.
āCommunity Activities: We will organise Moral Ambition Circles and offer the resources to start their own Circle. These circles help morally ambitious people develop a career that matches their ideals.
āExclusive Fellowship Programs: Initiation of targeted, highly selective programs in which small groups of fellows (~12 people) will focus on solving one of the most pressing and neglected global problems together.
They are based in the Netherlands, but will be launching internationally in spring 2025.
They are currently hiring for the roles of:
(Senior) Researcher | 32-40 hours | EUR 55k-65K | deadline Feb 15th
Program Manager (Fellowships) | 32-40 hours | EUR 40K-50K | deadline Jan 24th
Operations intern | 32-40 hours | EUR 1,000/āmonth | Jan 24th
Event Management Intern | 32-40 hours | EUR 1,000/āmonth | Jan 24th
Finance Volunteer | 4-8 hours per week | unpaid | Feb 1st
NB- Iām linkposting this because I think the Forum audience may be interested in these roles. Iām not affiliated with the organisation and therefore canāt answer questions about them.
PS- If you spot a job that you think EAs should see, linkpost it on the Forum! A surprising amount of people find out about jobs that they later get through the Forum, so you might just shift a career, or get a more impact-focused person into an important role.
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Dutch interview, English interview (about 2ā3 of the way through)
I wanted to question the ā¬1000 per month for the internships? (Note I appreciate the forum poster isnāt responsible) To me this amount seems exploitative and Iād like to know the The School of Moral Ambitionās reasoning behind this.
These internships are 6-12 months long, based in Amsterdamāwhich is an expensive place to live. From the governmentās own website, minimum wage for 21+ is ā¬2,317.83 per month, and the ā¬1000 offered will barely cover living costs.
I recognise that the organisationās ambitions are good and that internships offering this amount are not infrequent in the Netherlands. However, I donāt think this provides an excuse.
This is not an internship at the IMF or an investment bank, where the role has a large value in future employment. These are roles in operations and event management.
This pay level encourages elitism within EAāmost people who take this job will need support from family or reliance on savings. Those from a low income background are heavily penalised given the wage is much lower than minimum wage.
More importantly, even if this behaviour is acceptable in other industries, we should ask if this is how we, the EA community, want to treat our young talent. In my eyes, we can do a lot better.
To be honest, I donāt really see these kinds of comments criticising young organisations that likely have access to limited amounts of funding to be helpful. I think there are some valid issues to be discussed, but Iād much rather see them discussed at an ecosystem level. Sure, itās less than ideal that low-paid internships provide an advantage to those from a particular class, but itās also easier for wealthier people to gain a college degree as well, I think itād be a mistake for us to criticise universities for offering college degrees. At least with these internships, youāre being paid something, as opposed to accruing debt, so theyāre actually much more accessible than the comparative.
But I suppose this doesnāt address my real objection which is that there are people who are willing to work to make the world better and an organisation that is willing to provide them with some financial support to make it happen. In return, these people gain the opportunity to develop new skills and if these interns are particularly talented, they are likely to be referred on to further opportunities. They might even change the course of someoneās career: someone who was just going to go into the business world might end up having a highly impactful career instead.
So I guess it just feels like that given how many benefits there are, we should have a really high bar for standing in the way of things. And I donāt really feel that this is met here. Thereās so much that is horrible in the world, but we have the opportunity to change that. And if that involves a large number of 1000 EURO/āmonth internships, well, that seems like an incredibly low price to pay.
I donāt know if youāre familiar with the Netherlands but I think EUR 1000 is quite a lot for an intern here. See this article for more info.
Iām still undecided about intern salaries in the Netherlands. Initially, I was surprised by how low they are, but then it was pointed out to me that interns here face a different situation to what they would face elsewhere. For one, students receive substantial financial support, and secondly, they can travel cheaply due to the Student Travel Product. Basically, it feels very different from my experience in the UK (and very different from what I have heard about the US).
But Iām also biased because I know the people behind SMA.
Many students in the Netherlands donāt receive these benefits š. If you are Dutch, itās easy to get it. But internationals now make up 40% of incoming university students (and I think there are a disproportionate amount of internationals in the Dutch EA community), and even for EU students there are a lot more barriersāyou have to have lived in the Netherlands for at least 5 years, a parent or partner needs to work in the Netherlands, or you have to be employedāinternships unfortunately donāt count as an eligible employment contract. On top of that, the eligibility for student finance dictates your eligibility for the student travel product.
Anecdotally, many (international) students I know at uni have not pursued internships for this reason (low wage + no govt benefits).
Thatās a good point Liam, thanks! I should have mentioned it since I was an EU student myself and went through the same thingā¦
I think this is a real concern. But a few observations to add:
Points 1 and 2 appear to be somewhat in tension. The strongest argument for penalization in point 2, to me, is that EAs from a lower income background are unable to participate in an internship that has a significant value in career advancement. However, point 1 is based on the assumption that the role does not have such a value.
Iām inclined to give somewhat more grace to new, lean organizations than to established & well-funded organizations on this issue. I believe upstart nonprofits generally pay even less than nonprofits generally, and that may be a consequence of the funding situation those organizations often face.
Therefore, Iām not sure it is appropriate to put too much of the burden of being better than other industries (cf. point 3) on cash-strapped organizations. To the extent that there are ecosystem-wide goals here (like promoting meritocracy rather than privilege), it may be more appropriate to evaluate them at the ecosystem level rather than primarily at the organizational level. It may be possible to achieve those goals while giving newer, leanly-funded organizations more of a pass.
If it really is critical to have all entry-level positions paying a certain floor wage, then funders probably need to offer grants specifically for that (or size their regular grants accordingly and include a restriction against paying anyone less than the specified floor).
In some non-profitsācertain types of religious work come to mindāthe worker is expected to fundraise part or all of their own salary. This system has its problems for sure, but itās not obvious untenable to offer partially-funded positions with the expectation that candidates would need to find grants, do fundraising, etc.
Of course, the organization or someone else would need to provide appropriate support (e.g., in the US, one can generally get tax-deductibility for this kind of thing if jumping through the right hoops).
None of this is intended to imply a view that the offered salary is acceptable; I think it probably is not. But I wouldnāt, for instance, endorse a position that any salary under ā¬2,317.83 per month is per se exploitative.[1]
I donāt read your comment as making such an assertion.
I was surprised to see that the Finance position is volunteer. It seems not in line with the responsibilities?
In case this question was aimed at me, Iām just link-posting this because I thought people might be interested: I canāt answer questions about the role (the above is ~all I know)
I know! I wanted to tag Jan Willem van Putten but didnāt know how to do that (on mobile)
@Jan-Willem
In the meantime: good spot. I assume they assumed that an experienced āfinanceā person could probably take on this part-time role pro bono.