At one point CEA released a doctored EAG photo with a “Leverage Research” sign edited to be bizarrely blank. (Archive page with doctored photo, original photo.) I assume this was an effort to bury their Leverage association after the fact.
To the extent that you update against an org, of currently existing orgs this would be 80k, not CEA. At the time that this happened current CEA and current 80k were both independently managed efforts under the umbrella organization then known as CEA and now known as EV (more).
Separately, I agree this editing was bad, but doing it in the context of a review would be much worse.
The current version of CEA employs Julia Wise, your wife. Previously Alexey Guzey sent Wise a draft of a post critical of her superior Will MacAskill and a request for confidentiality. Wise accidentally (or “accidentally”) leaked the draft to MacAskill, who then used it to prepare an adversarial public response to the upcoming post rather than to give Guzey feedback ahead of publication as he’d requested. Neither Wise nor MacAskill disclosed this until after the leak was caught because MacAskill publicly responded to parts of the draft which were removed before publication. Wise remains in her role as CEA’s community liaison, where she is the point person for confidential information from people who worry that leaks would provoke adversarial action from powerful community insiders.
Are you trying to say I should have included some sort of disclosure in my comment? Or trying to give this as an example of the kind of thing VettedCauses is worried about with sharing reviews before publication? Something else?
You pointed out the lack of staff continuity between the present CEA and the subset of then-CEA-now-EV which posted the doctored image, to argue that their behavior does not reflect on the present CEA, so that we have no particular reason to expect sketchy or adversarial comms from the present CEA.
Your argument about lack of staff continuity is valid as a local counterpoint which carries some weight (IMO not an extreme amount of weight, given the social and institutional links between the different orgs siloed under then-CEA-now-EV, but others might reasonably disagree). Nevertheless I object to your conclusion about present CEA, largely because of a separate incident involving present CEA staff. So, I brought up this other incident to explain why.
It’s true that this is also an example of the kind of thing VettedCauses is worried about, but that’s not what made me think of it here.
I don’t think I gave any conclusion about CEA? I was pointing out that 80k’s past actions are primarily evidence about what we should expect from 80k in the future.
I think your comment is still pretty misleading: “CEA released …” would be much clearer as “80k released …” or perhaps “80k, at the time a sibling project of CEA, released …”.
separate incident involving present CEA staff
FYI I’m not getting into the separate incident because, as you point out, it involves my partner.
Thanks, Sarah! I have checked the links, and I agree that is a clear example of faking evidence. I assume this is an exception, and encourage CEA to disclose any similar instance where they have clearly faked evidence.
(I think this level of brazenness is an exception, the broader thing has I think occurred many dozens of times. My best guess, though I know of no specific example, is that probably as a result of the FTX stuff, many EA organizations changed websites and made requests to delete references from archives, in order to lower their association with FTX)
At one point CEA released a doctored EAG photo with a “Leverage Research” sign edited to be bizarrely blank. (Archive page with doctored photo, original photo.) I assume this was an effort to bury their Leverage association after the fact.
To the extent that you update against an org, of currently existing orgs this would be 80k, not CEA. At the time that this happened current CEA and current 80k were both independently managed efforts under the umbrella organization then known as CEA and now known as EV (more).
Separately, I agree this editing was bad, but doing it in the context of a review would be much worse.
The current version of CEA employs Julia Wise, your wife. Previously Alexey Guzey sent Wise a draft of a post critical of her superior Will MacAskill and a request for confidentiality. Wise accidentally (or “accidentally”) leaked the draft to MacAskill, who then used it to prepare an adversarial public response to the upcoming post rather than to give Guzey feedback ahead of publication as he’d requested. Neither Wise nor MacAskill disclosed this until after the leak was caught because MacAskill publicly responded to parts of the draft which were removed before publication. Wise remains in her role as CEA’s community liaison, where she is the point person for confidential information from people who worry that leaks would provoke adversarial action from powerful community insiders.
I’m confused why you’re posting this?
Are you trying to say I should have included some sort of disclosure in my comment? Or trying to give this as an example of the kind of thing VettedCauses is worried about with sharing reviews before publication? Something else?
You pointed out the lack of staff continuity between the present CEA and the subset of then-CEA-now-EV which posted the doctored image, to argue that their behavior does not reflect on the present CEA, so that we have no particular reason to expect sketchy or adversarial comms from the present CEA.
Your argument about lack of staff continuity is valid as a local counterpoint which carries some weight (IMO not an extreme amount of weight, given the social and institutional links between the different orgs siloed under then-CEA-now-EV, but others might reasonably disagree). Nevertheless I object to your conclusion about present CEA, largely because of a separate incident involving present CEA staff. So, I brought up this other incident to explain why.
It’s true that this is also an example of the kind of thing VettedCauses is worried about, but that’s not what made me think of it here.
I don’t think I gave any conclusion about CEA? I was pointing out that 80k’s past actions are primarily evidence about what we should expect from 80k in the future.
I think your comment is still pretty misleading: “CEA released …” would be much clearer as “80k released …” or perhaps “80k, at the time a sibling project of CEA, released …”.
FYI I’m not getting into the separate incident because, as you point out, it involves my partner.
Thanks, Sarah! I have checked the links, and I agree that is a clear example of faking evidence. I assume this is an exception, and encourage CEA to disclose any similar instance where they have clearly faked evidence.
(I think this level of brazenness is an exception, the broader thing has I think occurred many dozens of times. My best guess, though I know of no specific example, is that probably as a result of the FTX stuff, many EA organizations changed websites and made requests to delete references from archives, in order to lower their association with FTX)
Which EA organizations do you know have made requests to delete references from archives?