What are you trying to accomplish here? No one said that it was bad to give explanations for downvotes, only that itās ok not to do it. No one said that downvoting (or getting downvoted) should be an end goalāevaluating and signalling comment quality is the goal. Your comment reads to me like a sarcastic rant based on (wilful?) misunderstandings.
Yes, it is a sarcastic rant, correct! What Iām trying to accomplish is have a little fun, a change of pace from whining. Youāve apparently not down voted me as requested, so Iām afraid I have no choice but to punish you by up voting your comment above. Thatāll teach you! :-)
Ha, I just got here and I already have 122 down votes! Iām on the path to down vote victory! But, ok, ok, if you have more down votes, go ahead and brag here, Iām trying to be fair about this.
True story: I was appointed Lil Abner on Sadie Hawkins Day in high school, given my reputation for being rather dense I guess. High school and Lil Abner seem relevant to the subject of down votes....
Phil, youāve been making a lot of posts in very short order since you joined. The enthusiasm is great! But have you considered taking the downvotes as a sign that maybe you should increase the threshold in quality for what you decide to post? I.e. take what you wouldāve posted, and only post the most substantial and informative 25% of those.
As it is, it feels kind of like an indiscriminate information dump, and I for one am already tuning out most of what you write, which I think neither of us wants.
Hi Erich, thanks for your ongoing engagement, your feedback is appreciated.
Well, instead of āindiscriminate information dumpā I view my posts as a summation of more than twenty years of thinking and writing. I do agree there is a fair amount of repetitive duplication in my posts here so far, which I do regret, but that is because I am searching in earnest for people capable of understanding , engaging and adding to the insights being shared. Some progress there, which is great.
I donāt expect anybody to read everything I write, but if you feel ANY of it is worthwhile, why not engage that fraction of the posts, and ignore the posts you find less interesting? Iām totally cool with that.
Your point on quality is well received, so letās look at that more closely. I donāt have data on this, but my guess is that many or most members here are somewhere around a half to a third my age. Where true, Iāve been thinking and writing about such subjects since before they were born. To some significant degree that I canāt quantify, THAT who has been put in charge of evaluating my posts and feeding reputation data in to the forum software.
To debunk myself, I have to agree that as I am only a novice geezer (age 70) Iāve not yet fully grasped that the inexperienced judging the experienced is the way of the world, always has been, and thereās nothing anyone can do about it, certainly not me. I seem to be about half way to the goal of accepting this eternal reality in a cheerful manner. Iām getting there, but as this thread reveals, thereās work to do yet.
I would like to offer a simple solution to my fellow members. If something Iāve written sucks, as it very well might, join the thread and rip what Iāve written to shreds. Iām very receptive to such a process.
As youāve seen, Iām afraid I donāt have much respect for high school style hit and run anonymous popularity contest mechanisms, nor those who use them.
Wow, people are down-voting you to oblivion all over the place for the ill-founded reason that you donāt look humble enough to them. I havenāt read much, and I havenāt been enlightened by what Iāve read so far, but feel free to book a conversation with me if you wish to tell me about what you think are the most important pieces of wisdom you have to share. Itās likely to be one-off, but the potential downside is negligible compared to the potential upside. : )
What are you trying to accomplish here? No one said that it was bad to give explanations for downvotes, only that itās ok not to do it. No one said that downvoting (or getting downvoted) should be an end goalāevaluating and signalling comment quality is the goal. Your comment reads to me like a sarcastic rant based on (wilful?) misunderstandings.
Yes, it is a sarcastic rant, correct! What Iām trying to accomplish is have a little fun, a change of pace from whining. Youāve apparently not down voted me as requested, so Iām afraid I have no choice but to punish you by up voting your comment above. Thatāll teach you! :-)
Ha, I just got here and I already have 122 down votes! Iām on the path to down vote victory! But, ok, ok, if you have more down votes, go ahead and brag here, Iām trying to be fair about this.
True story: I was appointed Lil Abner on Sadie Hawkins Day in high school, given my reputation for being rather dense I guess. High school and Lil Abner seem relevant to the subject of down votes....
Phil, youāve been making a lot of posts in very short order since you joined. The enthusiasm is great! But have you considered taking the downvotes as a sign that maybe you should increase the threshold in quality for what you decide to post? I.e. take what you wouldāve posted, and only post the most substantial and informative 25% of those.
As it is, it feels kind of like an indiscriminate information dump, and I for one am already tuning out most of what you write, which I think neither of us wants.
Hi Erich, thanks for your ongoing engagement, your feedback is appreciated.
Well, instead of āindiscriminate information dumpā I view my posts as a summation of more than twenty years of thinking and writing. I do agree there is a fair amount of repetitive duplication in my posts here so far, which I do regret, but that is because I am searching in earnest for people capable of understanding , engaging and adding to the insights being shared. Some progress there, which is great.
I donāt expect anybody to read everything I write, but if you feel ANY of it is worthwhile, why not engage that fraction of the posts, and ignore the posts you find less interesting? Iām totally cool with that.
Your point on quality is well received, so letās look at that more closely. I donāt have data on this, but my guess is that many or most members here are somewhere around a half to a third my age. Where true, Iāve been thinking and writing about such subjects since before they were born. To some significant degree that I canāt quantify, THAT who has been put in charge of evaluating my posts and feeding reputation data in to the forum software.
To debunk myself, I have to agree that as I am only a novice geezer (age 70) Iāve not yet fully grasped that the inexperienced judging the experienced is the way of the world, always has been, and thereās nothing anyone can do about it, certainly not me. I seem to be about half way to the goal of accepting this eternal reality in a cheerful manner. Iām getting there, but as this thread reveals, thereās work to do yet.
I would like to offer a simple solution to my fellow members. If something Iāve written sucks, as it very well might, join the thread and rip what Iāve written to shreds. Iām very receptive to such a process.
As youāve seen, Iām afraid I donāt have much respect for high school style hit and run anonymous popularity contest mechanisms, nor those who use them.
Wow, people are down-voting you to oblivion all over the place for the ill-founded reason that you donāt look humble enough to them. I havenāt read much, and I havenāt been enlightened by what Iāve read so far, but feel free to book a conversation with me if you wish to tell me about what you think are the most important pieces of wisdom you have to share. Itās likely to be one-off, but the potential downside is negligible compared to the potential upside. : )
FYI the forum team gave him a 1 year ban for not following forum norms and he may not ever read your comment: https://āāforum.effectivealtruism.org/āāposts/āāLpCewmJgosEaz7ZkW/āāopen-thread-june-september-2022?commentId=jRYMLyCg2sKfvjg9j