It was an active choice to not make this post a structured point-by-point debate with GiveWell’s thinking as theirs is not the only guiding philosophy of how EAs think about issues of global health and development. With much of the $200B/year in Official Development Assistance going to interventions of question effectiveness and over a trillion dollars sitting in private foundations, the EA movement can and should open the aperture of how it thinks about what it recommends beyond the marginal donation.
We’re optimistic the movement could influence existing pots of money orders of magnitude larger than what it does today, thus doing even more good in the world. This could perhaps have been more clearly argued in the post, open to your thoughts / feedback!
That said, we have engaged with the the question of GiveWell under-valuing cash both in this post and in previous posts (see below)
How you score ‘effectiveness’ is ultimately subjective (see our blog), but it’s worth considering the vast range of benefits this single intervention can have
As that previous blog points out, “[GiveWell’s moral weight approach] results in a spreadsheet. This framework combines the views of a relatively small number of stakeholders and then applies those outcomes to millions of people. GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help. Each individual will have their own specific needs, preferences, and aspirations. We have yet to see a place we worked in (village, county, country) where everyone made the same investments, so why prescribe the same solution for everyone? Why not treat each individual person living in poverty as exactly that, respecting their individuality and allowing them the dignity of pursuing their own goals?”This is to say, we don’t subscribe to GiveWell’s moral weights approach, but instead hold recipient’s preference as our north star.
While addressing diseases like malaria or river-blindness would reduce suffering, they are only endemic in some but not all places with high extreme poverty – in 2021, malaria impacted only a third of the extreme poor.[12] Giving cash is impactful nearly everywhere that extreme poverty persists.
The global health and development issues GiveWell’s list targets are relatively niche compared to the wide applicability of cash transfers. The funding gap opportunities they’ve identify are more limited still.
[Footnote] It’s worth noting that the charity evaluator GiveWell does not currently factor in these multiplier research results into their cost effectiveness analysis for GiveDirectly.
GiveWell is likely undervaluing cash by their own moral weight terms based on the research they have right now. They’ve commissioned other research that may further change their own ranking.
With much of the $200B/year in Official Development Assistance going to interventions of question effectiveness and over a trillion dollars sitting in private foundations, the EA movement can and should open the aperture of how it thinks about what it recommends beyond the marginal donation.
We’re optimistic the movement could influence existing pots of money orders of magnitude larger than what it does today, thus doing even more good in the world. This could perhaps have been more clearly argued in the post, open to your thoughts / feedback!
FWIW I think this is quite interesting and worth putting in the original post. Fundamentally, EAs might (reasonably) disagree with the best use of $500M in the realm of global health but I think the argument that direct cash transfers could be a cost-effective use of $200B/year in Official Development Assistance, where other interventions we’ve found aren’t maybe that scalable, is one worth talking about.
Similarly, I think the ambition to move past just influencing marginal EA dollars (very small relatively) to government aid funding is also exciting and gets around some of the critiques by folks on this post (e.g. it’s much better than the counterfactual, more scalable than GiveWell interventions, governments can’t/won’t fund policy advocacy to improve their own aid, etc etc.)
Can you explain this, I don’t fully understand? Are you saying you prefer a subjective wellbeing approach, or that you don’t think that we should be comparing outcomes of different interventions or something different?
”GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help.”This is to say, we don’t subscribe to GiveWell’s moral weights approach.”
Sure. We expanded the excerpt from the blog for clarity: “[GiveWell’s moral weight approach] results in a spreadsheet. This framework combines the views of a relatively small number of stakeholders and then applies those outcomes to millions of people. GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help. Each individual will have their own specific needs, preferences, and aspirations. We have yet to see a place we worked in (village, county, country) where everyone made the same investments, so why prescribe the same solution for everyone? Why not treat each individual person living in poverty as exactly that, respecting their individuality and allowing them the dignity of pursuing their own goals?”This is to say, we don’t subscribe to GiveWell’s moral weights approach, but instead hold recipient’s preference as our north star.
It was an active choice to not make this post a structured point-by-point debate with GiveWell’s thinking as theirs is not the only guiding philosophy of how EAs think about issues of global health and development. With much of the $200B/year in Official Development Assistance going to interventions of question effectiveness and over a trillion dollars sitting in private foundations, the EA movement can and should open the aperture of how it thinks about what it recommends beyond the marginal donation.
We’re optimistic the movement could influence existing pots of money orders of magnitude larger than what it does today, thus doing even more good in the world. This could perhaps have been more clearly argued in the post, open to your thoughts / feedback!
That said, we have engaged with the the question of GiveWell under-valuing cash both in this post and in previous posts (see below)
As that previous blog points out, “[GiveWell’s moral weight approach] results in a spreadsheet. This framework combines the views of a relatively small number of stakeholders and then applies those outcomes to millions of people. GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help. Each individual will have their own specific needs, preferences, and aspirations. We have yet to see a place we worked in (village, county, country) where everyone made the same investments, so why prescribe the same solution for everyone? Why not treat each individual person living in poverty as exactly that, respecting their individuality and allowing them the dignity of pursuing their own goals?” This is to say, we don’t subscribe to GiveWell’s moral weights approach, but instead hold recipient’s preference as our north star.
The global health and development issues GiveWell’s list targets are relatively niche compared to the wide applicability of cash transfers. The funding gap opportunities they’ve identify are more limited still.
GiveWell is likely undervaluing cash by their own moral weight terms based on the research they have right now. They’ve commissioned other research that may further change their own ranking.
FWIW I think this is quite interesting and worth putting in the original post. Fundamentally, EAs might (reasonably) disagree with the best use of $500M in the realm of global health but I think the argument that direct cash transfers could be a cost-effective use of $200B/year in Official Development Assistance, where other interventions we’ve found aren’t maybe that scalable, is one worth talking about.
Similarly, I think the ambition to move past just influencing marginal EA dollars (very small relatively) to government aid funding is also exciting and gets around some of the critiques by folks on this post (e.g. it’s much better than the counterfactual, more scalable than GiveWell interventions, governments can’t/won’t fund policy advocacy to improve their own aid, etc etc.)
Good call! Added
Can you explain this, I don’t fully understand? Are you saying you prefer a subjective wellbeing approach, or that you don’t think that we should be comparing outcomes of different interventions or something different?
”GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help.” This is to say, we don’t subscribe to GiveWell’s moral weights approach.”
Sure. We expanded the excerpt from the blog for clarity: “[GiveWell’s moral weight approach] results in a spreadsheet. This framework combines the views of a relatively small number of stakeholders and then applies those outcomes to millions of people. GiveDirectly believes that the weights that should count the most are those of the specific people we’re trying to help. Each individual will have their own specific needs, preferences, and aspirations. We have yet to see a place we worked in (village, county, country) where everyone made the same investments, so why prescribe the same solution for everyone? Why not treat each individual person living in poverty as exactly that, respecting their individuality and allowing them the dignity of pursuing their own goals?” This is to say, we don’t subscribe to GiveWell’s moral weights approach, but instead hold recipient’s preference as our north star.
Thanks that makes sense. This reasoning seems at I risk of being motivated given what givedirectly does, but I get what you mean now.