Currently, the online EA ecosystem doesn’t feel like a place full of exciting new ideas, in a way that’s attractive to smart and ambitious people.
I think one thing that has happened is that as EA has grown/professionalized, an increasing share of EA writing/discourse is occurring in more formal outlets (e.g., Works in Progress, Asterisk, the Ezra Klein podcast, academic journals, and so on). As an academic, it’s a better use of my time—both from the perspective of direct impact and my own professional advancement—to publish something in one of these venues than to write on the Forum. Practically speaking, what that means is that some of the people thinking most seriously about EA are spending less of their time engaging with online communities. While there are certainly tradeoffs here, I’m inclined to think this is overall a good thing—it subjects EA ideas to a higher level of scrutiny (since we now have editors, in addition to people weighing in on Twitter/the Forum/etc about the merits of various articles) and it broadens exposure to EA ideas.
I also don’t really buy that the ideas being discussed in these more formal venues aren’t exciting or new; as just two recent examples, I think (1) the discourse/opportunities around abundance are exciting and new, as is (2) much of the discourse happening in The Argument. (While neither of these examples is explicitly EA-branded, they are both pretty EA-coded, and lots of EAs are working on/funding/engaging with them.)
Are the abundance ideas actually new to EA folks? They feel like rehashes of arguments we’ve had ~ a decade ago, often presented in less technical language and ignoring the major cruxes.
I think you’re right that some of the abundance ideas aren’t exactly new to EA folks, but I also think it’s true that: (1) packaging a diverse set of ideas/policies (re: housing, science, transportation) under the heading of abundance is smart and innovative, (2) there is newfound momentum around designing and implementing an abundance-related agenda (eg), and (3) the implementation of this agenda will create opportunities for further academic research (enabling people to, for instance, study some of those cruxes). All of this to say, if were a smart, ambitious, EA-oriented grad student, I think I would find the intellectual opportunities in this space exciting and appealing to work on.
I think one thing that has happened is that as EA has grown/professionalized, an increasing share of EA writing/discourse is occurring in more formal outlets (e.g., Works in Progress, Asterisk, the Ezra Klein podcast, academic journals, and so on). As an academic, it’s a better use of my time—both from the perspective of direct impact and my own professional advancement—to publish something in one of these venues than to write on the Forum. Practically speaking, what that means is that some of the people thinking most seriously about EA are spending less of their time engaging with online communities. While there are certainly tradeoffs here, I’m inclined to think this is overall a good thing—it subjects EA ideas to a higher level of scrutiny (since we now have editors, in addition to people weighing in on Twitter/the Forum/etc about the merits of various articles) and it broadens exposure to EA ideas.
I also don’t really buy that the ideas being discussed in these more formal venues aren’t exciting or new; as just two recent examples, I think (1) the discourse/opportunities around abundance are exciting and new, as is (2) much of the discourse happening in The Argument. (While neither of these examples is explicitly EA-branded, they are both pretty EA-coded, and lots of EAs are working on/funding/engaging with them.)
Are the abundance ideas actually new to EA folks? They feel like rehashes of arguments we’ve had ~ a decade ago, often presented in less technical language and ignoring the major cruxes.
Not saying they’re bad ideas, just not new.
I think you’re right that some of the abundance ideas aren’t exactly new to EA folks, but I also think it’s true that: (1) packaging a diverse set of ideas/policies (re: housing, science, transportation) under the heading of abundance is smart and innovative, (2) there is newfound momentum around designing and implementing an abundance-related agenda (eg), and (3) the implementation of this agenda will create opportunities for further academic research (enabling people to, for instance, study some of those cruxes). All of this to say, if were a smart, ambitious, EA-oriented grad student, I think I would find the intellectual opportunities in this space exciting and appealing to work on.