Yeah, makes sense. I just don’t know why it’s not just: “It’s conceivable, therefore, that EA community building has net negative impact.”
If you think that EA is/ EAs are net-negative value, then surely the more important point is that we should disband EA totally / collectively rid ourselves of the foolish notion that we should ever try to optimise anything/ commit seppuku for the greater good, rather than ease up on the community building.
...because we have object level data on the impact on many things, but very little on the net impact of community building on object level outcomes we care about. And community building is a very indirect impact, so on priors we should be less certain of how useful it is.
I think I did a poor job of distinguishing what I call “institutional EA” (or “EA community building”) from EA (or “EA as an idea”). But basically, there’s a difference between the idea of attempting to do good using evidence (or whatever your definition of EA might be) and particular efforts to expand the circle of people who identify as/affiliate with effective altruists. The former is what I’m calling EA/idea of EA and the latter is community building.
As might be obvious from this description, there are many possible ways to do EA community building, which might have better or worse effects (and one could think that community building efforts on average will have positive or negative effects). My claim is that it is plausible that the set of EA community building efforts conducted to date plausibly may have had net negative effects.
Yeah, makes sense. I just don’t know why it’s not just: “It’s conceivable, therefore, that EA
community buildinghas net negative impact.”If you think that EA is/ EAs are net-negative value, then surely the more important point is that we should disband EA totally / collectively rid ourselves of the foolish notion that we should ever try to optimise anything/ commit seppuku for the greater good, rather than ease up on the community building.
...because we have object level data on the impact on many things, but very little on the net impact of community building on object level outcomes we care about. And community building is a very indirect impact, so on priors we should be less certain of how useful it is.
I think I did a poor job of distinguishing what I call “institutional EA” (or “EA community building”) from EA (or “EA as an idea”). But basically, there’s a difference between the idea of attempting to do good using evidence (or whatever your definition of EA might be) and particular efforts to expand the circle of people who identify as/affiliate with effective altruists. The former is what I’m calling EA/idea of EA and the latter is community building.
As might be obvious from this description, there are many possible ways to do EA community building, which might have better or worse effects (and one could think that community building efforts on average will have positive or negative effects). My claim is that it is plausible that the set of EA community building efforts conducted to date plausibly may have had net negative effects.