Can you give examples of *mockery* of AI ethicists on the forum, if thatâs where you mean by âhereâ? For sure, I think a lot of people here (including me to some degree, although âAI ethicsâ is a very broad thing no doubt including lots of stuff I do agree with) are not the biggest fans. And I agree that building bridges would be needed for a useful protest movement. Iâm sure people say very mean things in private or over Slack. But on the forum itself people are generally pretty careful in what they say in my experience, but also, when they are harshly critical of AI ethics, they almost never in my experience use âmockeryâ as a weapon. Their tone is usually pretty earnest. Also maybe my experience was an outlier here, but the one time I posted a comment about a prominent AI ethics person that was relatively harsh (I think with some justification), it got deleted by the mods on the grounds that they didnât want to âundermine the potential for further engagementâ , which doesnât suggest to me that this stuff is just running wild.
To be clear, I actually think AI Ethics peoples have many substantively reasonable criticism of EA views on both X-risk and on the tolerance for right-wing extremism on race in some EA/ârationalist circles in the Bay. But that is a separate question from âare EAs too mean to ethics folksâ, and I feel like I havenât seen much of that?
the one time I posted a comment about a prominent AI ethics person that was relatively harsh (I think with some justification), it got deleted by the mods on the grounds that they didnât want to âundermine the potential for further engagementâ
Do you have a link to that interaction? I canât think of any case where mods deleted comments that didnât contain personal information[1], but it might have happened before I started reading the forum.
I feel like spreading what I said originally is basically an attempt to reverse the original moderation decision, and I donât want to be adversarial. Nor do I want to name the person who removed it and put them on the spot (especially as I donât think it was an outrageous decision or anything, though I donât really regret what I said either.)
Can you give examples of *mockery* of AI ethicists on the forum, if thatâs where you mean by âhereâ? For sure, I think a lot of people here (including me to some degree, although âAI ethicsâ is a very broad thing no doubt including lots of stuff I do agree with) are not the biggest fans. And I agree that building bridges would be needed for a useful protest movement. Iâm sure people say very mean things in private or over Slack. But on the forum itself people are generally pretty careful in what they say in my experience, but also, when they are harshly critical of AI ethics, they almost never in my experience use âmockeryâ as a weapon. Their tone is usually pretty earnest. Also maybe my experience was an outlier here, but the one time I posted a comment about a prominent AI ethics person that was relatively harsh (I think with some justification), it got deleted by the mods on the grounds that they didnât want to âundermine the potential for further engagementâ , which doesnât suggest to me that this stuff is just running wild.
To be clear, I actually think AI Ethics peoples have many substantively reasonable criticism of EA views on both X-risk and on the tolerance for right-wing extremism on race in some EA/ârationalist circles in the Bay. But that is a separate question from âare EAs too mean to ethics folksâ, and I feel like I havenât seen much of that?
Do you have a link to that interaction? I canât think of any case where mods deleted comments that didnât contain personal information[1], but it might have happened before I started reading the forum.
edit: except when a user asks to delete their comments, but I think that should count as if the user was deleting the comments themselves
I feel like spreading what I said originally is basically an attempt to reverse the original moderation decision, and I donât want to be adversarial. Nor do I want to name the person who removed it and put them on the spot (especially as I donât think it was an outrageous decision or anything, though I donât really regret what I said either.)
I think itâs important for readers of this forum to know that mods donât delete comments for these reasons.
Is there any information you could share about this (e.g. the thread you had commented on, or at least the year when it happened?)