I wonder how much attending different universities matters if we focus solely on the quality of research mentorship available to an EA-oriented student who hopes to reduce AI risks.
I plan to study dentistry at a medical university because I believe having earn-to-give as a backup option is important. However, my ultimate goal is to become an AI safety researcher. I therefore plan to collaborate with computer science professors at a nearby university and may spend around 40% of my time in college on AI-related research.
Suppose Medical University A is located near University C, which has a top 5 computer science department in Taiwan and around 60 professors working in CS-related fields. Medical University B, meanwhile, is near University D, which ranks around the top 10 and has approximately 35 professors in relevant fields.
University C is clearly stronger overall and would probably give me a better chance of finding a lab doing a more EA-aligned research topic. This gives Medical University A an advantage, but A is also more difficult to enter.
For example, suppose I were admitted to Medical University B through the first entrance exam. Would it be worthwhile to spend around four months preparing for another exam in order to enter Medical University A for better research mentorship? (assuming that I would get in medical university A on the second exam and that the two medical universities are otherwise similar?)
Even if you are uncertain, your 1-minute gut intuition about this topic would already be very helpful. Thank you very much for your time.
I’m still sceptical about your plan on pursuing two very different careers in parallel. It’s not an issue if EtG is important to you but I’m not seeing what justifies doing two in parallel? Why is it better than one person doing EtG and another doing CS?
On the original question, I think it’s very difficult to tell from the outside. You want to do projects to gain experience that lets you enter certain roles (e.g. entry AI safety roles). The people hiring for such roles are the ones who can tell what they are looking for and how people usually get there.
The strategy of doing in parallel is: To attend dental school, but spending much less time on dental school than other students, getting like 2.5 GPA, just aim to pass and graduate in dental school. (In Taiwan, it’s really feasible. Our dental school training is NOT rigid. In fact every time I went to dentist I always think maybe this dentist doesn’t work hard in school)
Imagine: All of the students in dental would know there’s a weird guy called Jack that is studying AI every day and never studies dental school seriously
Once you graduate in dental school, you can get the dental license at any time(even 10 years later) if you passed the exam. Therefore, for me after I graduated from dental school, if I later found myself better at EtG and not direct work, then I can self study dentistry again for years, pass the licence exam and start practicing.
You may ask: Why don’t you study CS first, if 10 years later I found out myself isn’t good enough in direct working, then I apply to dental school? Because I expect dental school would be much harder to apply in the future(which could be nearly impossible to apply)
I’m not saying I’m def nitely going to do this( the probability is around 35%), as I said with you in private messages, I’ll test my personal fit for 2 years first. If I found myself bad at CS, then research mentorship wouldn’t matter at all Because I won’t do CS research in parallel. But if after 2 years I found myself seem to be good at direct work, but not confident then it seems it’s the best plan)
I meant that if EtG is important to you, then why not just go all in on EtG? You might say that AI-related career advice assigns higher priority to research, but I think that assumes you only pick one of these and not split your attention. I think 80k would encourage focusing on EtG if it is important to you for some reason:
Overall, earning to give typically ends up seeming most attractive in the following cases: … There’s a particular job you really want to do for other reasons that’s higher-earning than average, or that can be adapted into. This might look like Jeff working as a software engineer, or someone who really always wanted to be a doctor, or a teacher who does private tutoring and donates the extra. …
I think I’d only encourage seriously doing two of these in parallel if both are important to you for some reason other than impact.
How do you expect to spread your effort across the two? What major sacrifices are you making (e.g., not attend a CS degree, work +N hours a week compared to average) that enable this, and what is your estimate on how it impacts your productivity in the long run?
Not attending CS degree isn’t a sacrifice. Self-learning is very sufficient, the only thing I need from school is research mentorship.
It’s a bit complicated to explain, but doing these two in parallel does NOT reduce productivity at all. If you’re interested at why I could explain in the future
Hey! Wanna reiterate something I said in the other question you asked.
You need to talk to someone in real life with richer knowledge about the universities you’re considering and ideally someone’s who has gone down the same path. Internet advice is going to reflect people’s intuitions about CS and medical school in the US and UK.
Rankings are immensely contextual. In some contexts, top 5 versus top 10 has no meaning. In others, it’s a big jump. In rare cases (though I think these are exaggerated), it can be better to get mentorship from the lower ranked place.
And the ranking likely reflects things that aren’t what you’re optimizing towards. For example, have CS professors mentored people outside their university? How is the AI safety community of grad students and bachelors? How much of as structure is there for networking? Is either school known for connections to Bay Area? These things can be very idiosyncratic
Hello Geoffrey: Thanks for your reply, and I’m also asking the professors in Taiwan I know on whether they would be open to collabortae with students from other colleges. You’re right that this question is somewhat localized. EA people in Taiwan that’s familiar with doing AI risks reserach would be the best to answer this question, however there are very few(<3 people) in Taiwan. Therefore I think it’d still be beneficial to see how western EA thinks about this question
[Question] Is Better Research Mentorship Worth Spending 4 Extra Months on College Admissions?
I wonder how much attending different universities matters if we focus solely on the quality of research mentorship available to an EA-oriented student who hopes to reduce AI risks.
I plan to study dentistry at a medical university because I believe having earn-to-give as a backup option is important. However, my ultimate goal is to become an AI safety researcher. I therefore plan to collaborate with computer science professors at a nearby university and may spend around 40% of my time in college on AI-related research.
Suppose Medical University A is located near University C, which has a top 5 computer science department in Taiwan and around 60 professors working in CS-related fields. Medical University B, meanwhile, is near University D, which ranks around the top 10 and has approximately 35 professors in relevant fields.
University C is clearly stronger overall and would probably give me a better chance of finding a lab doing a more EA-aligned research topic. This gives Medical University A an advantage, but A is also more difficult to enter.
For example, suppose I were admitted to Medical University B through the first entrance exam. Would it be worthwhile to spend around four months preparing for another exam in order to enter Medical University A for better research mentorship? (assuming that I would get in medical university A on the second exam and that the two medical universities are otherwise similar?)
Even if you are uncertain, your 1-minute gut intuition about this topic would already be very helpful. Thank you very much for your time.
I’m still sceptical about your plan on pursuing two very different careers in parallel. It’s not an issue if EtG is important to you but I’m not seeing what justifies doing two in parallel? Why is it better than one person doing EtG and another doing CS?
On the original question, I think it’s very difficult to tell from the outside. You want to do projects to gain experience that lets you enter certain roles (e.g. entry AI safety roles). The people hiring for such roles are the ones who can tell what they are looking for and how people usually get there.
Hello Peter:
The strategy of doing in parallel is: To attend dental school, but spending much less time on dental school than other students, getting like 2.5 GPA, just aim to pass and graduate in dental school. (In Taiwan, it’s really feasible. Our dental school training is NOT rigid. In fact every time I went to dentist I always think maybe this dentist doesn’t work hard in school)
Imagine: All of the students in dental would know there’s a weird guy called Jack that is studying AI every day and never studies dental school seriously
Once you graduate in dental school, you can get the dental license at any time(even 10 years later) if you passed the exam. Therefore, for me after I graduated from dental school, if I later found myself better at EtG and not direct work, then I can self study dentistry again for years, pass the licence exam and start practicing.
You may ask: Why don’t you study CS first, if 10 years later I found out myself isn’t good enough in direct working, then I apply to dental school? Because I expect dental school would be much harder to apply in the future(which could be nearly impossible to apply)
I’m not saying I’m def nitely going to do this( the probability is around 35%), as I said with you in private messages, I’ll test my personal fit for 2 years first. If I found myself bad at CS, then research mentorship wouldn’t matter at all Because I won’t do CS research in parallel. But if after 2 years I found myself seem to be good at direct work, but not confident then it seems it’s the best plan)
I meant that if EtG is important to you, then why not just go all in on EtG? You might say that AI-related career advice assigns higher priority to research, but I think that assumes you only pick one of these and not split your attention. I think 80k would encourage focusing on EtG if it is important to you for some reason:
I think I’d only encourage seriously doing two of these in parallel if both are important to you for some reason other than impact.
How do you expect to spread your effort across the two? What major sacrifices are you making (e.g., not attend a CS degree, work +N hours a week compared to average) that enable this, and what is your estimate on how it impacts your productivity in the long run?
Not attending CS degree isn’t a sacrifice. Self-learning is very sufficient, the only thing I need from school is research mentorship.
It’s a bit complicated to explain, but doing these two in parallel does NOT reduce productivity at all. If you’re interested at why I could explain in the future
Hey! Wanna reiterate something I said in the other question you asked.
You need to talk to someone in real life with richer knowledge about the universities you’re considering and ideally someone’s who has gone down the same path. Internet advice is going to reflect people’s intuitions about CS and medical school in the US and UK.
Rankings are immensely contextual. In some contexts, top 5 versus top 10 has no meaning. In others, it’s a big jump. In rare cases (though I think these are exaggerated), it can be better to get mentorship from the lower ranked place.
And the ranking likely reflects things that aren’t what you’re optimizing towards. For example, have CS professors mentored people outside their university? How is the AI safety community of grad students and bachelors? How much of as structure is there for networking? Is either school known for connections to Bay Area? These things can be very idiosyncratic
Hello Geoffrey: Thanks for your reply, and I’m also asking the professors in Taiwan I know on whether they would be open to collabortae with students from other colleges. You’re right that this question is somewhat localized. EA people in Taiwan that’s familiar with doing AI risks reserach would be the best to answer this question, however there are very few(<3 people) in Taiwan. Therefore I think it’d still be beneficial to see how western EA thinks about this question