Because you leave from the premises that the majority of the EA community is already convinced and into AI already, which I don’t think is true at all, the last post about this showing diagrams of EAs in the community was based purely on intuition and nothing else.
EAs are highly-educated and wealthy people for the vast majority, and their skills are definitely needed in AI. Someone in EA will be much more easily brought onto a job in AI compared to someone who has a vague understanding of it OR doesn’t have the skills. So yes I do think they are in high-leverage positions since they already occupy good jobs.
As to bring the arguments, try going against the grain and expressing doubts on the fastness on how AI took over the EA community, how the funding is now distributed, and how does that feel to see the EA forum having its vast majority of posts dedicated to AI. Many of the EA who do think this way are not on the forum and prefer to stand aside since they don’t feel like they belong. I don’t want to lose these people. And the fact that I am being downvoted to hell every time I dare saying these things is just basic evidence. Everyone who disagrees with me, please explain why instead of just downvoting. That just increases the ‘this is not an opinion we condone’ without any explanation.
I don’t assume that they are convinced, I think that they are aware of the issues. They are also a tiny group compared to the general population—so I think you need a far stronger reason to focus on such a small group instead of the public than what has been suggested.
And I think you’re misconstruing my position about EA versus AI safety—I strongly agree that they should be separate, as I’ve said elsewhere.
Yeah I get your point and factually sure it is a small group. I still think that for cohesive community purposes advocating for AI within EA would be useful, and finding qualified members to work in AI is easier to do within the community than within the public given the profile of EAS.
As to be aware of the issues that is where we disagree. I don’t think AI has been brought in a careful, thoughtful way, with good epistemics in the community. AI became a thing for specialists and an evidence very quickly, to the detriment of other EAs who have a hard time adjusting. Ignoring this will not lead to good things and should not be undervalued.
Because you leave from the premises that the majority of the EA community is already convinced and into AI already, which I don’t think is true at all, the last post about this showing diagrams of EAs in the community was based purely on intuition and nothing else.
EAs are highly-educated and wealthy people for the vast majority, and their skills are definitely needed in AI. Someone in EA will be much more easily brought onto a job in AI compared to someone who has a vague understanding of it OR doesn’t have the skills. So yes I do think they are in high-leverage positions since they already occupy good jobs.
As to bring the arguments, try going against the grain and expressing doubts on the fastness on how AI took over the EA community, how the funding is now distributed, and how does that feel to see the EA forum having its vast majority of posts dedicated to AI. Many of the EA who do think this way are not on the forum and prefer to stand aside since they don’t feel like they belong. I don’t want to lose these people. And the fact that I am being downvoted to hell every time I dare saying these things is just basic evidence. Everyone who disagrees with me, please explain why instead of just downvoting. That just increases the ‘this is not an opinion we condone’ without any explanation.
I don’t assume that they are convinced, I think that they are aware of the issues. They are also a tiny group compared to the general population—so I think you need a far stronger reason to focus on such a small group instead of the public than what has been suggested.
And I think you’re misconstruing my position about EA versus AI safety—I strongly agree that they should be separate, as I’ve said elsewhere.
Yeah I get your point and factually sure it is a small group. I still think that for cohesive community purposes advocating for AI within EA would be useful, and finding qualified members to work in AI is easier to do within the community than within the public given the profile of EAS.
As to be aware of the issues that is where we disagree. I don’t think AI has been brought in a careful, thoughtful way, with good epistemics in the community. AI became a thing for specialists and an evidence very quickly, to the detriment of other EAs who have a hard time adjusting. Ignoring this will not lead to good things and should not be undervalued.