Feels like youāve slightly misunderstood my point of view here Lorenzo? Maybe thatās on me for not communicating it clearly enough though.
For what itās worth, Rutger has been donating 10% to effective charities for a while and has advocated for the GWWC pledge many times...So I donāt think heās against that, and lots of people have taken the 10% pledge specifically because of his advocacy
Thatās great! Sounds like very āEAā to me š¤·
I think this mixes effective altruism ideals/āgoals (which everyone agrees with) with EAās specific implementation, movement, culture and community.
Iām not sure everyone does agree really, some people have foundational moral differences. But that aside, I think effective altruism is best understand as a set of ideas/āideals/āgoals. Iāve been arguing that on the Forum for a while and will continue to do so. So I donāt think Iām mixing, I think that the critics are mixing.
This doesnāt mean that theyāre not pointing out very real problems with the movement/ācommunity. I still strongly think that the movement has lot of growing pains/āreforms/ārecknonings to go through before we can heal the damage of FTX and onwards.
The āwin by ipponā was just a jokey reference to Michael Nielsenās āEA judoā phrase, not me advocating for soldier over scout mindset.
If we want millions of people to e.g. give effectively, I think we need to have multiple āmovementsā, āflavoursā or āinterpretationsā of EA projects.
I completely agree! Like 100000% agree! But thatās still āEAā? I just donāt understand trying to draw such a big distinction between SMA and EA in the case where they reference a lot of the same underlying ideas.
So I donāt know, feels like weāre violently agreeing here or something? I didnāt mean to suggest anything otherwise in my original comment, and I even edited it to make it more clear I was more frustrated at the interviewer than anything Rutger said or did (itās possible that a lot of the non-quoted phrasing were put in his mouth)
Feels like youāve slightly misunderstood my point of view here Lorenzo? Maybe thatās on me for not communicating it clearly enough though.
Thatās great! Sounds like very āEAā to me š¤·
Iām not sure everyone does agree really, some people have foundational moral differences. But that aside, I think effective altruism is best understand as a set of ideas/āideals/āgoals. Iāve been arguing that on the Forum for a while and will continue to do so. So I donāt think Iām mixing, I think that the critics are mixing.
This doesnāt mean that theyāre not pointing out very real problems with the movement/ācommunity. I still strongly think that the movement has lot of growing pains/āreforms/ārecknonings to go through before we can heal the damage of FTX and onwards.
The āwin by ipponā was just a jokey reference to Michael Nielsenās āEA judoā phrase, not me advocating for soldier over scout mindset.
I completely agree! Like 100000% agree! But thatās still āEAā? I just donāt understand trying to draw such a big distinction between SMA and EA in the case where they reference a lot of the same underlying ideas.
So I donāt know, feels like weāre violently agreeing here or something? I didnāt mean to suggest anything otherwise in my original comment, and I even edited it to make it more clear I was more frustrated at the interviewer than anything Rutger said or did (itās possible that a lot of the non-quoted phrasing were put in his mouth)
Yes, I think this is a great summary. Hopefully not too violently?
I mostly wanted to share my (outsider) understanding of MA and its relationship with EA
No really appreciated it your perspective, both on SMA and what we mean when we talk about āEAā. Definitely has given me some good for thought :)