This subthread seems to be going in a bad direction. I would encourage those wanting to discuss the net-value of Elon Musk and Peter Thiel on the world to do so elsewhere.
Well, I feel the âred pillâ part is directly relevant to alignment, both for current and long-term issues, the values that go into the AI part, and the power structure of the AI company that does it part.
I guess thatâs why I included it into my post, donât really know, I did it with mostly emotion and emotion is not well-interpretable always (sometimes for the best).
I do feel we (EA , tech, finance and related) need to discuss this as a community, the âred pillâ stuff and whether itâs extreme (my experience n=1 and my interpretation of m=~100 other people says that yes, itâs a poorly and vaguely phrased partial theory that mostly explains how traumatic, unhappy, unhealthy relationships work (traumatized people are ones who will be most responsive to the âpush-pullâ pickup artistry, not because âthis is how people areâ but because âthis is how traumatized people try to be happy and failâ), giving a phenomenological explanation with a completely wrong and actively harmful explanation of the underlying causes, with links to fascism and dehumanisation, agressiveness and fatalism)
Personally, I feel in a lot of cases this ideology is the reason people are unsuccessful in relationships: it is a fake cure for a problem that was probably âjustâ trauma and misunderstanding in the first place. Like, a society-wide misunderstanding between genders. Again, my personal view.
See my other comments about how âa society which is not aligned within itself is unlikely to be able to align other entities wellâ. Something as massive as this I believe should be addressed first before anything external can be taken care of
Same reason I feel the discussion âapple&android vs Nokia&fxtecâ in another thread is very very very directly relevant to alignment, again, both power structure-wise and values themselves-wise.
Donât really know to best do such a discussion, again, Iâm only one person, I donât really know :)
I am tired. I want a vacation from all this.
I have hope in the community that they are smart and capable and can sort these things through.
This subthread seems to be going in a bad direction. I would encourage those wanting to discuss the net-value of Elon Musk and Peter Thiel on the world to do so elsewhere.
Well, I feel the âred pillâ part is directly relevant to alignment, both for current and long-term issues, the values that go into the AI part, and the power structure of the AI company that does it part.
I guess thatâs why I included it into my post, donât really know, I did it with mostly emotion and emotion is not well-interpretable always (sometimes for the best).
I do feel we (EA , tech, finance and related) need to discuss this as a community, the âred pillâ stuff and whether itâs extreme (my experience n=1 and my interpretation of m=~100 other people says that yes, itâs a poorly and vaguely phrased partial theory that mostly explains how traumatic, unhappy, unhealthy relationships work (traumatized people are ones who will be most responsive to the âpush-pullâ pickup artistry, not because âthis is how people areâ but because âthis is how traumatized people try to be happy and failâ), giving a phenomenological explanation with a completely wrong and actively harmful explanation of the underlying causes, with links to fascism and dehumanisation, agressiveness and fatalism)
Personally, I feel in a lot of cases this ideology is the reason people are unsuccessful in relationships: it is a fake cure for a problem that was probably âjustâ trauma and misunderstanding in the first place. Like, a society-wide misunderstanding between genders. Again, my personal view.
See my other comments about how âa society which is not aligned within itself is unlikely to be able to align other entities wellâ. Something as massive as this I believe should be addressed first before anything external can be taken care of
Same reason I feel the discussion âapple&android vs Nokia&fxtecâ in another thread is very very very directly relevant to alignment, again, both power structure-wise and values themselves-wise.
Donât really know to best do such a discussion, again, Iâm only one person, I donât really know :)
I am tired. I want a vacation from all this.
I have hope in the community that they are smart and capable and can sort these things through.