My process was to check the “About the forum” link on the left hand side, see that there was a section on “What we discourage” that made no mention of hiring, then search for a few job ads posted on the forum and check that no disapproval was expressed in the comments of those posts.
That’s not my understanding. As the lead moderator, here’s what I’ve told people who ask about job posts:
If we start to have a lot of them such that they’re getting in the way of more discussion-ready content, I’d want to keep them off the frontpage. Right now, we only get them very occasionally, and I’m generally happy to have them be more visible...
...especially if it’s a post like this one which naturally leads to a bunch of discussion of an org’s actual work. (If the job were something like “we need a copyeditor to work on grant reports,” it’s less likely that good discussion follows, and I’d again consider sorting the content differently.)
If I said something at some point that gave you a different impression of our policy here, my apologies!
Before the revamp of the forum, I was asked to take down job ads, but maybe things have changed since then. I personally don’t think it would be good for the forum to become a jobs board, since the community already has several places to post jobs.
I think our policy has been pretty consistent since the revamp (I wasn’t around before then), but it’s plausible that the previous policy led people not to post many jobs.
I also don’t want the Forum to become a job board, but I think an occasional post along the lines of this one seems fine; I’m neither an engineer nor a researcher, but I found it interesting to learn what OpenAI was up to.
I see that people don’t seem to like the policy very much (or maybe think it wasn’t handled consistently before). If anyone who downvoted sees this, would you mind explaining what you didn’t like? Do you think we should simply prohibit all job posts, or make sure they never show up on the front page?
I didn’t downvote, but I could imagine someone thinking Halstead had been ‘tricked’ - forced into compliance with a rule that was then revoked without notifying him. If he had been notified he might have wanted to post his own job adverts in the last few years.
Personally I share your intuitions that the occasional interesting job offer is good, but I don’t know how this public goods problem could be solved. No job ads might be the best solution, for all that I enjoyed this one.
Yeah. Well, not that they cannot be posted, but that they will not be frontpaged by the mods, and instead kept in the personal blog / community section, which has less visibility.
Posts that focus on the EA community itself are given a “community” tag. By default, these posts will be hidden from the list of posts on the Forum’s front page. You can change how these posts are displayed by using...
To clarify, Halstead, “Community” is now a tag, not a category on the level of “Frontpage”. Posts tagged “Community” will still either be “Frontpage” or “Personal Blog”.
This comment is a bit out of date (though I think it was made before I made this edit). The current language is:
Posts that focus on the EA community itself are given a “community” tag. By default, these posts will have a weighting of “-25″ on the Forum’s front page (see below), appearing only if they have a lot of upvotes.
We don’t hide all “community” posts by default, but they will generally be less prominent on the front page unless a user changes the weighting themselves.
Very interesting role, but my understanding was that job posts were not meant to be posted on the forum
My process was to check the “About the forum” link on the left hand side, see that there was a section on “What we discourage” that made no mention of hiring, then search for a few job ads posted on the forum and check that no disapproval was expressed in the comments of those posts.
That’s not my understanding. As the lead moderator, here’s what I’ve told people who ask about job posts:
If we start to have a lot of them such that they’re getting in the way of more discussion-ready content, I’d want to keep them off the frontpage. Right now, we only get them very occasionally, and I’m generally happy to have them be more visible...
...especially if it’s a post like this one which naturally leads to a bunch of discussion of an org’s actual work. (If the job were something like “we need a copyeditor to work on grant reports,” it’s less likely that good discussion follows, and I’d again consider sorting the content differently.)
If I said something at some point that gave you a different impression of our policy here, my apologies!
Before the revamp of the forum, I was asked to take down job ads, but maybe things have changed since then. I personally don’t think it would be good for the forum to become a jobs board, since the community already has several places to post jobs.
I think our policy has been pretty consistent since the revamp (I wasn’t around before then), but it’s plausible that the previous policy led people not to post many jobs.
I also don’t want the Forum to become a job board, but I think an occasional post along the lines of this one seems fine; I’m neither an engineer nor a researcher, but I found it interesting to learn what OpenAI was up to.
I see that people don’t seem to like the policy very much (or maybe think it wasn’t handled consistently before). If anyone who downvoted sees this, would you mind explaining what you didn’t like? Do you think we should simply prohibit all job posts, or make sure they never show up on the front page?
I didn’t downvote, but I could imagine someone thinking Halstead had been ‘tricked’ - forced into compliance with a rule that was then revoked without notifying him. If he had been notified he might have wanted to post his own job adverts in the last few years.
Personally I share your intuitions that the occasional interesting job offer is good, but I don’t know how this public goods problem could be solved. No job ads might be the best solution, for all that I enjoyed this one.
Yeah. Well, not that they cannot be posted, but that they will not be frontpaged by the mods, and instead kept in the personal blog / community section, which has less visibility.
Added: As it currently says on the About page:
Ok, the post is still labelled as ‘front page’ in that case, which seems like it should be changed
To clarify, Halstead, “Community” is now a tag, not a category on the level of “Frontpage”. Posts tagged “Community” will still either be “Frontpage” or “Personal Blog”.
This comment is a bit out of date (though I think it was made before I made this edit). The current language is:
We don’t hide all “community” posts by default, but they will generally be less prominent on the front page unless a user changes the weighting themselves.