Seeing the −10 downvotes and −7 agreement just shows how the vast majority of people at EA Conferences are Caucasians from elite, wealthy families, schools, or backgrounds.
I think the reasoning here is suspect. If I see a lot of agreement upvotes on a comment that says “the vast majority of people at EA Conferences are Caucasians[etc]” I will, under most circumstances, update towards believing that there are more Caucasians[etc] at EA conferences, not less. Presumably you share this belief. However, you then say that seeing downvotes and disagreement is evidence that people in EA conferences are Caucasian[etc]. I think this reasoning is unsound.
FWIW I disagreed with Jordan’s comment, and I am not Caucasian. I also do not think of myself as coming from “elite, wealthy families, schools, or backgrounds” by Western standards, though of course this is all relative.
Upvote. My messaging was erroneous. I meant to say that the fact I mentioned the majority demographic possibly made people uncomfortable and then led them to downvote.
Ofc, the downvotes are also because of how my comment came off as aggressive. I appreciate the constructive response though, Linch.
Hi. Thanks for the constructive engagement! In my case I downvoted because of the combination of coming across aggressive and me thinking that this was not an accurate identification of the problem plus being worried it’d promote certain bad discussion norms that are increasingly common in the left-leaning parts of the internet.
I appreciate the constructive engagement and the apology. Thanks.
Yeah I really appreciate you trying to prevent the bad discussion norms and keep good-faith conversations.
I’m left social liberal and very progressive but I often feel aggressive attitudes and whining (which I did) doesn’t solve racial disparities and inequality and often misses the problems. And these are attitudes that I feel are too common among white, rich, liberals. (This isn’t me trying to talk bad about white, rich, liberals or say they all do this. It’s just trends I’ve noticed since joining EA a bit over a year ago.)
Without opining on the actual discussion: I don’t think the logic here is sound. The fact that many agreement votes to this can mean one thing, doesn’t mean many disagreement votes aren’t indicative of a similar thing. You could imagine casual paths leading to each of those outcomes.
I think the reasoning here is suspect. If I see a lot of agreement upvotes on a comment that says “the vast majority of people at EA Conferences are Caucasians[etc]” I will, under most circumstances, update towards believing that there are more Caucasians[etc] at EA conferences, not less. Presumably you share this belief. However, you then say that seeing downvotes and disagreement is evidence that people in EA conferences are Caucasian[etc]. I think this reasoning is unsound.
FWIW I disagreed with Jordan’s comment, and I am not Caucasian. I also do not think of myself as coming from “elite, wealthy families, schools, or backgrounds” by Western standards, though of course this is all relative.
Upvote. My messaging was erroneous. I meant to say that the fact I mentioned the majority demographic possibly made people uncomfortable and then led them to downvote.
Ofc, the downvotes are also because of how my comment came off as aggressive. I appreciate the constructive response though, Linch.
Hi. Thanks for the constructive engagement! In my case I downvoted because of the combination of coming across aggressive and me thinking that this was not an accurate identification of the problem plus being worried it’d promote certain bad discussion norms that are increasingly common in the left-leaning parts of the internet.
I appreciate the constructive engagement and the apology. Thanks.
Yeah I really appreciate you trying to prevent the bad discussion norms and keep good-faith conversations.
I’m left social liberal and very progressive but I often feel aggressive attitudes and whining (which I did) doesn’t solve racial disparities and inequality and often misses the problems. And these are attitudes that I feel are too common among white, rich, liberals. (This isn’t me trying to talk bad about white, rich, liberals or say they all do this. It’s just trends I’ve noticed since joining EA a bit over a year ago.)
Without opining on the actual discussion: I don’t think the logic here is sound. The fact that many agreement votes to this can mean one thing, doesn’t mean many disagreement votes aren’t indicative of a similar thing. You could imagine casual paths leading to each of those outcomes.
I agree it’s technically possible but it seems kinda absurd to think this is likely.