Very strange to me that you call a disease that killed roughly 267k people in the U.S. in 2022 “not particularly dangerous.” 2022 deaths were almost all omicron variants.
Few if any attendees at EAG are children, so it is hard to see the relevance of vaccine risk-benefit calculation for young boys.
You raise some valid points but I think you post got so downvoted because it is hard to take your overall concern seriously when you link to wildly unscientific and frankly loony-sounding articles like the free press one (It could have been written about literally anything: “have you noticed that ever since the Seattle Seahawks won the super bowl, the rate of gun violence in the U.S. has skyrocketed?? I’m just asking questions!”)
I say this as someone who is generally opposed to vaccine mandates and thinks these sorts of decision are best left to individuals outside of very extreme situations.
I linked to a variety of studies, which show that basic risk-benefit calculation says: for large demographics, do NOT get double vaccinated in current times.
Please be specific about what I am posting that is “wildly unscientific.”
Yes one of my linked studies was specific to teenage boys. My other links include men 30 and under etc. In either case, we’re talking about large demographics of millions of people that shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, and which certainly cover EAG attendees. I’m not sure why you would zoom to just one of my sources on teenage boys, although I did think that was important to note as well.
I would like to see these risk-benefit frameworks for other age groups as well, for current times. And which include basic background info like natural immunity.
If you have links to any info like this I’m interested. These are just the good risk-benefit studies I could find personally.
The Free Press link at the end, I included only as a concise thru-way to a variety of other studies.
I don’t think you read it; you seem to believe it has the exact opposite conclusion of what you are implying it does. At least, I have no idea what you are getting at with your analogy.
We may have different definitions of “not particularly dangerous,” but this is my least important point and I’m happy to let it go.
I linked to a variety of studies, which show that basic risk-benefit calculation says: for large demographics, do NOT get double vaccinated in current times.
Please be specific about what I am posting that is “wildly unscientific.”
I was specifically referring to the free press article that you linked to at the end . I understand that the authors are not explicitly saying that covid vaccines caused sudden deaths, and for the record I take seriously both the failure of the public health establishment to be transparent (about many different covid-related issues) and also the risk of myocarditis associated with vaccines. The article has terrible reasoning throughout, but just as an example, it reads
The second study, from Germany, reported autopsy findings from 25 people who died unexpectedly within 20 days of receiving a Covid-19 vaccination. In four, acute myocarditis appeared to be the cause of death. Notably, the four affected persons were older adults. These results are not definitive, but the authors called for more detailed studies exploring the possibility of fatal adverse events from the vaccine.
There is never any mention (in the linked article—did not read the original study) of how many people were in the population of vaccinated individuals that the study looked at nor the incidence of myocarditis in the unvaccinated or even pre-covid population. These kind of cherry-picked and context-free statistics are present throughout the article and it has a completely disingenuous tone of “we’re just asking questions” when in fact it seems clear to me that the goal is to intentionally mislead the reader about the risks of vaccination.
With that said, I fully believe that it should be up to individuals to weigh these risk for themselves. Which is consistent with EAG “recommending” vaccination—I personally don’t really care if they “recommend” daily handstand practice—there are bigger credibility fish to free.
If you are not liking that one study, because it doesn’t do a risk-benefit for both sides… then just refer to the other studies I link more prominently to, which do.
If you think it is “terrible reasoning” to not do a risk-benefit of both sides, before making explicit or implicit statements… we are certainly on the same page… This is my issue with EAG’s recommendation.
Handstands are not in the same ballpark as hospitalization for permanent heart damage. Perhaps I take this more seriously because I know people this happened to. Just like I also know people who died from covid. -- Let’s keep on top of the available risk-benefit basics, and realize that the situation today is much different than 1, 2, and 3 years ago.
Also, yes, this is just a little fine-print statement from EAG, but I see the same statements and logic elsewhere, it seems embedded.
Thank you Monica for taking some time out of your day to engage with me and my ideas and links, and for keeping an eye on the viewpoints we have in common, our similarities. I appreciate you. And I think you are making good points.
Very strange to me that you call a disease that killed roughly 267k people in the U.S. in 2022 “not particularly dangerous.” 2022 deaths were almost all omicron variants.
Few if any attendees at EAG are children, so it is hard to see the relevance of vaccine risk-benefit calculation for young boys.
You raise some valid points but I think you post got so downvoted because it is hard to take your overall concern seriously when you link to wildly unscientific and frankly loony-sounding articles like the free press one (It could have been written about literally anything: “have you noticed that ever since the Seattle Seahawks won the super bowl, the rate of gun violence in the U.S. has skyrocketed?? I’m just asking questions!”)
I say this as someone who is generally opposed to vaccine mandates and thinks these sorts of decision are best left to individuals outside of very extreme situations.
I linked to a variety of studies, which show that basic risk-benefit calculation says: for large demographics, do NOT get double vaccinated in current times.
Please be specific about what I am posting that is “wildly unscientific.”
Yes one of my linked studies was specific to teenage boys. My other links include men 30 and under etc. In either case, we’re talking about large demographics of millions of people that shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand, and which certainly cover EAG attendees. I’m not sure why you would zoom to just one of my sources on teenage boys, although I did think that was important to note as well.
I would like to see these risk-benefit frameworks for other age groups as well, for current times. And which include basic background info like natural immunity.
If you have links to any info like this I’m interested. These are just the good risk-benefit studies I could find personally.
The Free Press link at the end, I included only as a concise thru-way to a variety of other studies.
I don’t think you read it; you seem to believe it has the exact opposite conclusion of what you are implying it does. At least, I have no idea what you are getting at with your analogy.
We may have different definitions of “not particularly dangerous,” but this is my least important point and I’m happy to let it go.
I was specifically referring to the free press article that you linked to at the end . I understand that the authors are not explicitly saying that covid vaccines caused sudden deaths, and for the record I take seriously both the failure of the public health establishment to be transparent (about many different covid-related issues) and also the risk of myocarditis associated with vaccines. The article has terrible reasoning throughout, but just as an example, it reads
There is never any mention (in the linked article—did not read the original study) of how many people were in the population of vaccinated individuals that the study looked at nor the incidence of myocarditis in the unvaccinated or even pre-covid population. These kind of cherry-picked and context-free statistics are present throughout the article and it has a completely disingenuous tone of “we’re just asking questions” when in fact it seems clear to me that the goal is to intentionally mislead the reader about the risks of vaccination.
With that said, I fully believe that it should be up to individuals to weigh these risk for themselves. Which is consistent with EAG “recommending” vaccination—I personally don’t really care if they “recommend” daily handstand practice—there are bigger credibility fish to free.
If you are not liking that one study, because it doesn’t do a risk-benefit for both sides… then just refer to the other studies I link more prominently to, which do.
If you think it is “terrible reasoning” to not do a risk-benefit of both sides, before making explicit or implicit statements… we are certainly on the same page… This is my issue with EAG’s recommendation.
Handstands are not in the same ballpark as hospitalization for permanent heart damage. Perhaps I take this more seriously because I know people this happened to. Just like I also know people who died from covid. -- Let’s keep on top of the available risk-benefit basics, and realize that the situation today is much different than 1, 2, and 3 years ago.
Also, yes, this is just a little fine-print statement from EAG, but I see the same statements and logic elsewhere, it seems embedded.
Thank you Monica for taking some time out of your day to engage with me and my ideas and links, and for keeping an eye on the viewpoints we have in common, our similarities. I appreciate you. And I think you are making good points.