I’m a Christian so well, bit of a slam dunk in the same direction OP...
I somewhat struggle to understand how objective morality works if you are not a theist on religious in some sense, but I’m not a moral philosopher so I’ll be missing a lot.
Even though I think morality is objective, most likely I’m as long long way from that true North Star. I shudder to think what percentage I’m right with my own current ideas about morally, especially when I look back and see how much my ideas of morality have changed during my life.
Not sure that being christian/ theist is a slam dunk, for reasons that start with euthyphro… i.e. Is God following an already objective morality (in which case being theist doesn’t help—morality would be the same whatever God did), or does God somehow make a particular morality objective (in which case you can still ask—why that one rather than another?).
Yeah that’s a good question. I would have thought both of those options would mean that morality was objective still? Even if the objectiveness seemed pretty arbitrary and we could ask why.
From my perspective the morality stems from who God is, and is baked into the fabric of the universe. From a biblical perspective on one level God “is” love, and truth, and wisdom, and the universe came out of that objective reality. Then there is no other morality that exists.
Understanding and living by that morality though is a while nother matter.
I feel a bit like a kindergarten student here, to I should probably just be quoting some boss theologian...
Yeah that’s a good question. I would have thought both of those options would mean that morality was objective still? Even if the objectiveness seemed pretty arbitrary and we could ask why.
Oh yeah for sure, I think my argument (if right) means more that being a Christian/theist doesn’t let you skip any steps, you still have to argue why morality is objective.
But I think the God = love, truth, wisdom = objective reality thing might sneak you out of Euthyphro. Not sure, and also not a boss theologian lol.
How does it work if you are a theist? I don’t think theism gets you realism for free, or even very easily. In fact, I think theists should probably be moral antirealists.
I’m a Christian so well, bit of a slam dunk in the same direction OP...
I somewhat struggle to understand how objective morality works if you are not a theist on religious in some sense, but I’m not a moral philosopher so I’ll be missing a lot.
Even though I think morality is objective, most likely I’m as long long way from that true North Star. I shudder to think what percentage I’m right with my own current ideas about morally, especially when I look back and see how much my ideas of morality have changed during my life.
Not sure that being christian/ theist is a slam dunk, for reasons that start with euthyphro… i.e. Is God following an already objective morality (in which case being theist doesn’t help—morality would be the same whatever God did), or does God somehow make a particular morality objective (in which case you can still ask—why that one rather than another?).
Yeah that’s a good question. I would have thought both of those options would mean that morality was objective still? Even if the objectiveness seemed pretty arbitrary and we could ask why.
From my perspective the morality stems from who God is, and is baked into the fabric of the universe. From a biblical perspective on one level God “is” love, and truth, and wisdom, and the universe came out of that objective reality. Then there is no other morality that exists.
Understanding and living by that morality though is a while nother matter.
I feel a bit like a kindergarten student here, to I should probably just be quoting some boss theologian...
Oh yeah for sure, I think my argument (if right) means more that being a Christian/theist doesn’t let you skip any steps, you still have to argue why morality is objective.
But I think the God = love, truth, wisdom = objective reality thing might sneak you out of Euthyphro. Not sure, and also not a boss theologian lol.
How does it work if you are a theist? I don’t think theism gets you realism for free, or even very easily. In fact, I think theists should probably be moral antirealists.