Thomas, super interesting list, although I don’t quite get the Patent stuff in terms of EA. I’d love to talk to you more about Having Kids. But first, I’d be interested in your thoughts on this:
http://www.onestepforanimals.org/why-one-step.html
Thanks,
Matt
I agree that the patent stuff might not be a top EA cause—the inclusion here was based on my personal experience of being sued by a patent troll.
I have looked at http://havingkids.org/ I don’t really see their model taking off as it seems difficult to understand and a bit unusual.
I’m currently focused on male contraceptive research in order to help reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortion. Approximately 40% of pregnancies are unwanted worldwide, many of which end in abortion. I’m donating to https://www.malecontraceptive.org/
I believe that behavior change is very difficult, and it might be more pragmatic to develop technologies that people want and that help animals as a side effect. Examples are better male contraception and tastier meat alternatives.
Regarding Having Kids: The main idea is to change the conversation from parents or women thinking in isolation, but instead having the rights of the future child and the interests of society be a part of any decision to have a kid. This should lead to smaller families.
I am curious as to why you think male contraceptions are a better means of preventing unwanted pregnancy, compared to empowering women and providing them with better contraception. My admitedly limited experience is such that men in general care much less about preventing pregnancy, and are even inclined to want a woman to get pregnant. As the economists would say, women are the ones who have incentive here.
I am all for the work of The Good Food Institute and Hampton Creek! But I think that there will have to be demand for those products. As that One Step page points out, even with all our efforts and the advances in food technology, per-capita consumption of animals is at an all-time high. That’s why I think there is a need for a re-thought demand-side campaign
I believe that both contraceptive delivery and research are important, and wouldn’t advocate for funding one over the other. I was thinking more in terms of high priority funding gaps for both areas, and because male contraceptive research is so neglected, there appear to be some low hanging fruit. There are scientists who want to work on a clean sheets pill as well as other methods but who haven’t been able to for years due to lack of funding. If successful, the clean sheets pill might be able prevent both pregnancy and STDs such as AIDS.
Many men do care about their partners and avoiding unintended pregnancy, and many women struggle to find a contraceptive method that works for them with manageable side effects. Even looking at it just from a purely selfish perspective, many men do want to avoid the responsibility of having kids and having to pay child support.
I completely agree that there is a need for re-thought on the demand side campaign. I’m hoping that with the ACE research fund ( http://researchfund.animalcharityevaluators.org/ ) we’ll learn more about what works on the demand side, the challenge being able to measure small effect sizes. It does seem plausible that advocacy could be more effective if the ask is smaller, e.g. switching from chicken to beef or better yet a tastier meat alternative.
In addition to the difficulty in measuring small effect sizes, one of the significant problems with trying to evaluate advocacy is the necessary longitudinal nature of any meaningful study. Plenty of studies have shown that ~80% of people who go veg goes back to eating animals. What this doesn’t capture is that all those millions of former vegetarians are actively working against others making compassionate choices, telling everyone they found it impossible to be vegetarian, how fanatical vegans are, etc.
(Also, we would need to capture the full impact of our argument / advocacy, since most everything we put out there argues strongly for replacing red meat with chickens; http://bit.ly/2jrYBEB)
IMHO, it is better to simply ask, “Don’t eat chickens.” Don’t say “eat beef” or “eat vegan alternatives”—just leave the ask as simple and straightforward as possible.
More: http://www.mattball.org/2016/06/can-our-choices-make-difference.html
Thanks for the conversation!
That is a good point about the need for studies to measure the long term impact. What do you think of United Poultry Concerns? Do you know of any people who have given up chicken for ethical reasons but still eat other meat?
Do you think that cultured meat research should focus on developing alternatives to chicken instead of beef?
Mr Mather,
Sorry for the delay in replying.
I’m not sure what UPC does to get a reasonable, actionable message to the general public. One Step for Animals ( http://www.onestepforanimals.org/ ) has a psychologically sound message that they get in front of loads of people. For example, in the past 30 days, they have gotten their ads and videos in front of 1.8 million people on a budget of less than $10,000.
Yes, I do think that replacing chicken (with plant or clean meat) is much more important than beef.
Thanks Matt. In theory it sounds possible that your message could have impact for the reasons you gave—though I’d be interested in seeing empirical evidence that people would give up chicken for ethical reasons.
Thomas, super interesting list, although I don’t quite get the Patent stuff in terms of EA. I’d love to talk to you more about Having Kids. But first, I’d be interested in your thoughts on this: http://www.onestepforanimals.org/why-one-step.html Thanks, Matt
I agree that the patent stuff might not be a top EA cause—the inclusion here was based on my personal experience of being sued by a patent troll.
I have looked at http://havingkids.org/ I don’t really see their model taking off as it seems difficult to understand and a bit unusual.
I’m currently focused on male contraceptive research in order to help reduce unwanted pregnancy and abortion. Approximately 40% of pregnancies are unwanted worldwide, many of which end in abortion. I’m donating to https://www.malecontraceptive.org/
I believe that behavior change is very difficult, and it might be more pragmatic to develop technologies that people want and that help animals as a side effect. Examples are better male contraception and tastier meat alternatives.
I think http://www.onestepforanimals.org/why-one-step.html does raise some very good points on why we should focus on reducing chicken consumption, thanks for sharing that!
Thanks for the reply, Thomas. Two things:
Regarding Having Kids: The main idea is to change the conversation from parents or women thinking in isolation, but instead having the rights of the future child and the interests of society be a part of any decision to have a kid. This should lead to smaller families.
I am curious as to why you think male contraceptions are a better means of preventing unwanted pregnancy, compared to empowering women and providing them with better contraception. My admitedly limited experience is such that men in general care much less about preventing pregnancy, and are even inclined to want a woman to get pregnant. As the economists would say, women are the ones who have incentive here.
I am all for the work of The Good Food Institute and Hampton Creek! But I think that there will have to be demand for those products. As that One Step page points out, even with all our efforts and the advances in food technology, per-capita consumption of animals is at an all-time high. That’s why I think there is a need for a re-thought demand-side campaign
Thanks again. Down with patent trolls!
I believe that both contraceptive delivery and research are important, and wouldn’t advocate for funding one over the other. I was thinking more in terms of high priority funding gaps for both areas, and because male contraceptive research is so neglected, there appear to be some low hanging fruit. There are scientists who want to work on a clean sheets pill as well as other methods but who haven’t been able to for years due to lack of funding. If successful, the clean sheets pill might be able prevent both pregnancy and STDs such as AIDS.
Many men do care about their partners and avoiding unintended pregnancy, and many women struggle to find a contraceptive method that works for them with manageable side effects. Even looking at it just from a purely selfish perspective, many men do want to avoid the responsibility of having kids and having to pay child support.
I completely agree that there is a need for re-thought on the demand side campaign. I’m hoping that with the ACE research fund ( http://researchfund.animalcharityevaluators.org/ ) we’ll learn more about what works on the demand side, the challenge being able to measure small effect sizes. It does seem plausible that advocacy could be more effective if the ask is smaller, e.g. switching from chicken to beef or better yet a tastier meat alternative.
In addition to the difficulty in measuring small effect sizes, one of the significant problems with trying to evaluate advocacy is the necessary longitudinal nature of any meaningful study. Plenty of studies have shown that ~80% of people who go veg goes back to eating animals. What this doesn’t capture is that all those millions of former vegetarians are actively working against others making compassionate choices, telling everyone they found it impossible to be vegetarian, how fanatical vegans are, etc. (Also, we would need to capture the full impact of our argument / advocacy, since most everything we put out there argues strongly for replacing red meat with chickens; http://bit.ly/2jrYBEB) IMHO, it is better to simply ask, “Don’t eat chickens.” Don’t say “eat beef” or “eat vegan alternatives”—just leave the ask as simple and straightforward as possible. More: http://www.mattball.org/2016/06/can-our-choices-make-difference.html Thanks for the conversation!
That is a good point about the need for studies to measure the long term impact. What do you think of United Poultry Concerns? Do you know of any people who have given up chicken for ethical reasons but still eat other meat?
Do you think that cultured meat research should focus on developing alternatives to chicken instead of beef?
Mr Mather, Sorry for the delay in replying. I’m not sure what UPC does to get a reasonable, actionable message to the general public. One Step for Animals ( http://www.onestepforanimals.org/ ) has a psychologically sound message that they get in front of loads of people. For example, in the past 30 days, they have gotten their ads and videos in front of 1.8 million people on a budget of less than $10,000. Yes, I do think that replacing chicken (with plant or clean meat) is much more important than beef.
Thanks Matt. In theory it sounds possible that your message could have impact for the reasons you gave—though I’d be interested in seeing empirical evidence that people would give up chicken for ethical reasons.
Thanks Mr Mather. As noted here http://www.mattball.org/2017/01/the-difficulty-of-evaluating-impact-of.html it is tough. But at least the message should minimize the number of people switching from red meat to chickens. You might also like: http://www.onestepforanimals.org/blog/experiment-evaluate-repeat http://www.onestepforanimals.org/blog/good-news-believe-it-or-not :-)
PS: in blog form http://www.mattball.org/2017/01/the-difficulty-of-evaluating-impact-of.html Thanks again!