From a Hollywood ‘we sell drama as entertainment’ lens—in a conflict someone has to be the ‘hero’ (they are right) the audience roots for and someone as the ‘antagonist’ (they are wrong) - who do you think that’s going to be? To the victor goes the spoils… ultimately Sam ‘won’ so do you think the representation will be in EA’s favor?
We can guess too from the press coverage from that time which was skewed largely pro-sam, anti-ea language, even from non-tech sources (finance, politics, entertainment). From the outside looking in, most people do not understand what EA is and therefore misconstrue our work because it is deliberately simplified in the press (and mixed in with the MIRI/Bay rationality crowd) to “they think terminator will kill us all”—which to the public at large (who, yes, is ignorant about the dangers of technology) but this sounds juvenile/fear-mongering/cultish.
(Which is why improving our communication of the issues to a lay audience is so critical and seems to be undervalued or perhaps bottlenecked by talent/resources).
That, plus a general negative shift following SBF/FTX still lingering on people’s minds…
I’m curious as to why you just assume it will be a positive representation of EAs?
How did Sam “win”? The press coverage of him since the FTX collapse has been overwhelmingly negative. The EA movement has been caught up in that as collateral damage, but some works have criticized Sam for “twisting” EA, like the podcast Spellcaster.
...why you just assume it will be a positive representation of EAs?
No, I’m not making any assumptions about the movies being released.
I’m starting to realize we may be talking past each other because of different vantage points in the movement. Sam ‘won’ the openai board coup by getting reinstated as CEO. He also ‘won’ in the sense of positive optics given how much silicon valley rushed to defend/support him during that situation. Your comment suggests we’re reading different press coverage, but specifically during that event, the press for Sam was positive and for the EA movement negative. Even now, I wouldn’t say press for him has been ‘overwhelmingly’ negative. Yes, the tides are shifting toward people being weary of AI, but imo that shift isn’t happening fast enough. There is some positive press/support for ai safety work, but I don’t feel like it’s enough by comparison.
From a Hollywood ‘we sell drama as entertainment’ lens—in a conflict someone has to be the ‘hero’ (they are right) the audience roots for and someone as the ‘antagonist’ (they are wrong) - who do you think that’s going to be? To the victor goes the spoils… ultimately Sam ‘won’ so do you think the representation will be in EA’s favor?
We can guess too from the press coverage from that time which was skewed largely pro-sam, anti-ea language, even from non-tech sources (finance, politics, entertainment). From the outside looking in, most people do not understand what EA is and therefore misconstrue our work because it is deliberately simplified in the press (and mixed in with the MIRI/Bay rationality crowd) to “they think terminator will kill us all”—which to the public at large (who, yes, is ignorant about the dangers of technology) but this sounds juvenile/fear-mongering/cultish.
(Which is why improving our communication of the issues to a lay audience is so critical and seems to be undervalued or perhaps bottlenecked by talent/resources).
That, plus a general negative shift following SBF/FTX still lingering on people’s minds…
I’m curious as to why you just assume it will be a positive representation of EAs?
How did Sam “win”? The press coverage of him since the FTX collapse has been overwhelmingly negative. The EA movement has been caught up in that as collateral damage, but some works have criticized Sam for “twisting” EA, like the podcast Spellcaster.
No, I’m not making any assumptions about the movies being released.
I’m starting to realize we may be talking past each other because of different vantage points in the movement. Sam ‘won’ the openai board coup by getting reinstated as CEO. He also ‘won’ in the sense of positive optics given how much silicon valley rushed to defend/support him during that situation. Your comment suggests we’re reading different press coverage, but specifically during that event, the press for Sam was positive and for the EA movement negative. Even now, I wouldn’t say press for him has been ‘overwhelmingly’ negative. Yes, the tides are shifting toward people being weary of AI, but imo that shift isn’t happening fast enough. There is some positive press/support for ai safety work, but I don’t feel like it’s enough by comparison.
Are you two talking about different Sams?
Just to clarify, by “Sam” do you mean Altman or Bankman-Fried?
Yes, sorry that’s confusing i’ll switch to last names; Luca’s artificial is with altman.