Why was that page not fixed immediately? It seems clear to me that fixing that particular page was a very high priority? It seems it was added to a feature queue when the issue could also have have been treated immediately by manually changing that particular link.
I also had someone in my community message me about the post 2 weeks ago and censorship concerns. I honestly didn’t even know the post was gone til then so it was very hard to explain. I am concerned about how tasks get prioritized that this was left that long tbh. I don’t expect a response exactly but like.. Seems important to register a complaint or something. Please with sensitive things like this just triage them by putting a bandaid on too of the particular problem and add it as a full feature later.
[Edit: I see it is fixed now (it now implies that the post is usually deleted by author) but I could swear it wasn’t fixed 2 weeks ago because I had to ask friends to log in and check the link for me to make sure we all saw the same message, and I don’t think I’d have done that if deleting by author had been mentioned]
Just to clarify, I don’t work on the forum, I only help out with moderation, so I’m only speculating here. If you want to contact the people that run the forum, you can use these channels (but keep in mind they’re currently probably a bit overloaded)
Maybe the person in your community had concerns even with the new text? Or maybe they were not logged in? I think having a detailed report/request for change could help the developers (e.g. including a screenshot of what you saw, and a mention of what you would have preferred to see).
As for:
Why was that page not fixed immediately? It seems clear to me that fixing that particular page was a very high priority?
As a software developer (not working on the forum), I have to admit I sighed a bit while reading this. These kinds of things are sadly often more tricky than they seem (as you just found out, the solution didn’t fix the issue in your case). You can see some of the things the developers were working on at the time here https://github.com/ForumMagnum/ForumMagnum/pulls?page=19&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed, and prioritization is very tricky.
It seems it was added to a feature queue when the issue could also have have been treated immediately by manually changing that particular link.
I’m not sure what you mean here. Do you mean that we could have changed this post not to include a link to the original post? We don’t edit user posts or comments unless we have a very good reason to (e.g. someone asks us to remove sensitive information)
Hi I’m really sorry. I wrote that late last night very tired and frustrated after thinking about this or gender EA stuff all day. I thought about deleting or retracting my comment a few minutes after I wrote it, but I just left it in what I hoped was decent form. But unfortunately it was so not decent form nor correct. So now I’ve retracted it.
It seems that when I revisited the link back in November, it was before the page was changed (probably before this post was made), so I didn’t see the update in November. And when I and others visited 2 weeks ago I guess we all just missed that second sentence “This is usually due to the user deleting the post” because it isn’t as obvious on mobile? I do struggle to see how we could have missed the sentence about it, so perhaps I’m the only one who missed it, and others saw it but still felt the language implied foul play.
As you suggest, I’ll message the people in my community about how it looked to them. And if that does yield good feedback or I think of some better language I’ll message mods.
And yeah, my latter sentences you quote where I speak about it not being treated immediately aren’t valid. It does look like the issue was treated immediately/next-day (TYSM you even went so far as to check out the codebase), so that’s pretty epic prioritization by the team and I’m grateful for that. So please just ignore those lines.
Sorry to waste your time and be discouraging as all heck (your sighs are valid). I gave you a strong upvote and strong agree which I hope counts for something even though your time is worth way more than that. I truly appreciate the thoughtful, detailed response.
I don’t think your comment was that bad, it was clearly not norm-violating or anything, and thank you for writing it even if you were very tired and frustrated (I now upvoted it, and I hope you’re now feeling better and taking time for self-care). It could result in useful feedback on how to improve the forum, which is valuable. I would personally much prefer people write imperfect feedback than nothing at all for fear of being discouraging or incorrect
For a number of reasons, comments should not be made inaccessible by removing posts.
(I don’t have time, but there is a lot of say about the root issues here, I actually believe the poster is justified in her core mission.) However, the poster has no right to remove comments of uninvolved people, that she then characterizes later.
In addition to the victims of severe crime and misconduct, this situation has been humiliating and damaging to a lot of women and contributors to EA, who are not culpable and are also affected.
Having a way to communicate with integrity and verify basic facts (such as the content of their discussions and character, which have been described in Time magazine!) seems like a basic service.
Why was that page not fixed immediately? It seems clear to me that fixing that particular page was a very high priority? It seems it was added to a feature queue when the issue could also have have been treated immediately by manually changing that particular link.
I also had someone in my community message me about the post 2 weeks ago and censorship concerns. I honestly didn’t even know the post was gone til then so it was very hard to explain. I am concerned about how tasks get prioritized that this was left that long tbh. I don’t expect a response exactly but like.. Seems important to register a complaint or something. Please with sensitive things like this just triage them by putting a bandaid on too of the particular problem and add it as a full feature later.
[Edit: I see it is fixed now (it now implies that the post is usually deleted by author) but I could swear it wasn’t fixed 2 weeks ago because I had to ask friends to log in and check the link for me to make sure we all saw the same message, and I don’t think I’d have done that if deleting by author had been mentioned]
Just to clarify, I don’t work on the forum, I only help out with moderation, so I’m only speculating here.
If you want to contact the people that run the forum, you can use these channels (but keep in mind they’re currently probably a bit overloaded)
The forum codebase seems to be public, you can see that the text was changed in November https://github.com/ForumMagnum/ForumMagnum/pull/6143 https://github.com/ForumMagnum/ForumMagnum/pull/6153/files#diff-5dc494c8af9a70df8c13a716cab8cd560735eb4e5638e21d2735f87a39f96ad8: approximately one day after I posted the feature request.
Maybe the person in your community had concerns even with the new text? Or maybe they were not logged in? I think having a detailed report/request for change could help the developers (e.g. including a screenshot of what you saw, and a mention of what you would have preferred to see).
As for:
As a software developer (not working on the forum), I have to admit I sighed a bit while reading this.
These kinds of things are sadly often more tricky than they seem (as you just found out, the solution didn’t fix the issue in your case). You can see some of the things the developers were working on at the time here https://github.com/ForumMagnum/ForumMagnum/pulls?page=19&q=is%3Apr+is%3Aclosed, and prioritization is very tricky.
I’m not sure what you mean here. Do you mean that we could have changed this post not to include a link to the original post? We don’t edit user posts or comments unless we have a very good reason to (e.g. someone asks us to remove sensitive information)
Hi I’m really sorry. I wrote that late last night very tired and frustrated after thinking about this or gender EA stuff all day. I thought about deleting or retracting my comment a few minutes after I wrote it, but I just left it in what I hoped was decent form. But unfortunately it was so not decent form nor correct. So now I’ve retracted it.
It seems that when I revisited the link back in November, it was before the page was changed (probably before this post was made), so I didn’t see the update in November. And when I and others visited 2 weeks ago I guess we all just missed that second sentence “This is usually due to the user deleting the post” because it isn’t as obvious on mobile? I do struggle to see how we could have missed the sentence about it, so perhaps I’m the only one who missed it, and others saw it but still felt the language implied foul play.
As you suggest, I’ll message the people in my community about how it looked to them. And if that does yield good feedback or I think of some better language I’ll message mods.
And yeah, my latter sentences you quote where I speak about it not being treated immediately aren’t valid. It does look like the issue was treated immediately/next-day (TYSM you even went so far as to check out the codebase), so that’s pretty epic prioritization by the team and I’m grateful for that. So please just ignore those lines.
Sorry to waste your time and be discouraging as all heck (your sighs are valid). I gave you a strong upvote and strong agree which I hope counts for something even though your time is worth way more than that. I truly appreciate the thoughtful, detailed response.
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I don’t think your comment was that bad, it was clearly not norm-violating or anything, and thank you for writing it even if you were very tired and frustrated (I now upvoted it, and I hope you’re now feeling better and taking time for self-care).
It could result in useful feedback on how to improve the forum, which is valuable. I would personally much prefer people write imperfect feedback than nothing at all for fear of being discouraging or incorrect
(You may have seen this) As mentioned above, all of the comments are here, if it is useful to you:
ea.greaterwrong.com/posts/NacFjEJGoFFWRqsc8/women-and-effective-altruism
For a number of reasons, comments should not be made inaccessible by removing posts.
(I don’t have time, but there is a lot of say about the root issues here, I actually believe the poster is justified in her core mission.) However, the poster has no right to remove comments of uninvolved people, that she then characterizes later.
In addition to the victims of severe crime and misconduct, this situation has been humiliating and damaging to a lot of women and contributors to EA, who are not culpable and are also affected.
Having a way to communicate with integrity and verify basic facts (such as the content of their discussions and character, which have been described in Time magazine!) seems like a basic service.