Agree with these points.
I think we might do well with the framing in outreach projects if we were e.g. aiming for a certain policy change such as pandemic preparedness. But less for outreach with the goal of getting like-minded people on board.
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Very good point! Thanks for looking at it so thoroughly. Agree that I should put less weight on it based on this. To be honest, I realize I might have been biased by being in favor of “Zukunftsschutz” and might have had that in the back of my mind while creating the survey.
Germans’ Opinions on Translations of “longtermism”: Survey Results
Seems useful, especially for critical posts. I may want to upvote them to show my appreciation and have more people read them though still disagree with e.g. the conclusion they draw.
Sounds great! However, these times are very difficult from Europe. Are the talks recorded?
Thanks, everyone!
I’ve selected these words as most promising and am currently doing a survey in the general public to evaluate which ones sound best to people unfamiliar with longtermism.
Zukunftsschutz
Zukunfstismus
Langzeitismus
Langfristdenken
Ganzzeitdenken
Longtermismus
Longtermism
I agree. I think it’s interesting that the field of “Zukunftsethik” exist but I wouldn’t use the term as a name for a movement
I think these are all valuable, but not much more valuable in a world with short timelines. I wanted to express that I am not sure how we should change our approach in a world with short timelines. So I think these ideas are net positive but I’m uncertain whether they are much of an update
I agree that AGI timelines may be very short and even Holden Karnofsky assigns a 10% probability to AGI in the next 15 years. I think at this time everyone should at least think about what they would do if they knew for certain that AGI was coming in the next 15 years and then do at least 10% of that (if not more since in a world where AGI comes soon, you have a lot more impact since there are fewer EAs around). However, I don’t really see what to do about it yet. I think focusing outreach on groups that are more likely to start working on AI safety makes sense. Focusing outreach in circles of ML researchers makes sense. Encouraging EAs currently working in other areas to go work in alignment or AI government makes sense. Curious about what others think.
Thanks for the explanation!
I agree that it is great to do something to people for which they will be thankful later. But newly created people seem just as good for this and if you care a lot about preferences you could create them in a way that they will be very thankful and the pure creation is fulfilling for them. Still don’t see the value of resurrection vs new people. I think my main problem with preference utilitarianism is that you can’t say whether it’s good or bad to create preferences since both has unintuitive conseqences.
Bisherige Texte zum Stichwort auf Deutsch sind sehr negativ und man sieht immer, dass es eine fremde Idee ist. Will sichergehen, dass ich nichts übersehe.
Kann aber gut sein, dass wir am Ende “Longtermism” nehmen
Ideas so far from the EA Germany Slack (anonymous)
Zukunftsschutz (angelehnt an Naturschutz) (möglich wäre dann sowas wie „ich bin Zukunftsschützer:in“)
Ethik auf lange Sicht/Frist;
Langzeitethik
Eintreten für zukünftige Generationen
Langfristige Nachhaltigkeit
Langfristiges Denken
Langfristigkeit
Vielleicht kann man mit dem Wort “Posterität” etwas anfangen? Etwas veraltetes Synonym für Nachwelt, Erbe, Nachfahren, Nachfolgegeneration. Ich denke idealerweise wollen wir ja eine Übersetzung mit der man die philosophische Position (“longtermism is the idea..”) und vertreterinnen (“longtermists take seriously..”) bezeichnen kann.
Für die philosophische Position:
Posterianismus; Für die vertreterinnen:
Posterianten/innen; Posterianer/innen. Ist vielleicht etwas klumpig und prätentiös, aber es ist noch unbesetzt und man ahnt schnell dass es eine philosophische Position/Bewegung istFerndenken
Weitblick
Giga-Generationen-Vertrag
Contest: 250€ for translation of “longtermism” to German
Interesting, thanks! Though I don’t see why you’d only ressurect humans since animals seem to have the preference to survive as well. Anyways, I think preferences are often misleading and are not a good proxy for what would really be fulfilling. To me it also seems odd to say that a preference remains even if the person is no longer existing. Do you believe in souls or how do you make that work? (Sorry for the naivety, happy about any recs on the topic)
Consider posting this idea in the 80k career planning course group: https://m.facebook.com/groups/928373221340185/
I started something like this earlier this year to do the 8 weeks career planning course by 80k with two friends and I found it incredibly valuable to the extent that I’d say it would have been almost impossible to get so much clarity on career issues without my friend’s support. Strongly encourage others to do the same. (Note that it makes sense to do this with people with a similar focus)
We are planning on check-ins every three months now
Just want to mention that I’m going to work on this part time the next months and my first project is going to be to translate some content on longtermism. Still, I think further work, ideally original German texts, would be highly desirable. Though I think we especially need to think about how to promote the ideas in Germany. Please get in touch with me if you have any ideas!
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Just curious: Could you make the case for resurrecting people instead of just creating new ones? (Agree that having more persons with positive welfare is desirable but don’t see why resurrection would be the most cost-effective.)
I think both EA and longtermism are demanding a lot of critical thinking and we should thus encourage that the movement also consists of analytical people in the future.
Though I also agree that EA probably lacks many less analytical disciplines such as marketing.
What kinds of people exactly do have in mind that the community needs more?