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I observed many people(including other Transhumanists) feeling scared when they see the topic of race and IQ being discussed because they want to avoid more atrocities like in the past.
I do understand though that people of the transhumanism crowd generally think of increasing human genetic capabilities as a good thing.
I think they mean well and want to avoid accidently promoting harmful views by speaking with empathy and compassion on the topic
Not a question specifically for OP, but in general what does it mean to speak with rigor and empathy on the topic? (I think many people not used to thinking with empathy would assume “it would mean every few minutes going on a tangent about an atrocity and clarify that bad thing is bad”. I am embarrassed to say that I also have an underdeveloped ability to talk about sensitive views with empathy and am not sure how to do so)
Are replacement pledge pins available for purchase? (didn’t lose mine yet but I would feel better knowing I have that option if I do, my pledge pin is my most expensive possession I own xd so am a bit hesitant taking it outside)
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OMG I love GWWC!!!
These ideas sounds cool, a friend and I are interested in these ideas.
A tentative outline:
An AWS infrastructure that can be called via an api and respond with the social media post
let us know if you have any more ideas on how to make this most impactful.
That’s very altruistic of them! (Uncertain about the effectiveness of choosing elephants conservation though)
Here’s a short list of cooperate altruism(varying in effectiveness) https://www.buyforward.org/
I shall become the holder of the most historic hedon heist in history! 😈
Hello OP,
thanks for creating this write up. On the democratizing of grantmaking part of this post. One of the reasons that I gave my full internship pay of 14k as a rising senior to the EA animal welfare fund was that I didn’t have to put in any effort into thinking about what organizations/opportunities were effective. I really valued that I could outsource this labor to lewis bollard and other grantmakers that have a good track record.
If I feel they are not doing a good job I will switch my donations to ACE though >:3
First off, I love the name of this post lolol. Did Mr. McLaughlin think of that one because they got me laughin.
Want to add some clarity as to what welfarism means as I’ve heard it:
From some I hear welfarism as “supporting of welfare reforms”
But from others I hear welfarism as “The welfare of animals matters”(which means at least in principle being open to considering abolitionist solutions—not sure how much this actually occurs)
Which one do you mean by welfarism?
I think they mean buy from sweatshop compared to counterfactual fair trade place. Not sure if they mean donating the difference in money saved as well.
Thanks for posting! I especially like the part you mentioned on how it’s possible to slip into a mindset of justification/motivated reasoning of past actions as being cost effective for happiness for productivity! Daniel Kirmani made a comment here more in depth about it that makes me think about the book The Elephant In The Brain that expands on this idea in depth(you may have already heard of it).
Looks like that list of possible things that could be impacted was copied from this source:
https://www.exploreveg.org/2023/06/26/urgent-alert-animal-welfare-and-state-rights-under-threat-from-eats-act/
GPT4 says it’s unlikely that those would be impacted by the bill: https://chat.openai.com/share/49d449b2-c753-4fc3-bee3-61179832fa5d
This seems more accurate in terms of discussion of what laws may be impacted:
https://sentientmedia.org/8-key-laws-threatened-by-eats-act/
Or maybe both analogies are correct? Then the question is how can we be like gut bacteria for the AI and not ants?
Or maybe analogies just add more confusion and we should go back to first principles xd
Thanks for posting! I think it’s great to think about ways to use the large differences in suffering per calorie depending on what species is being farmed to our advantage to increase animal welfare.
Non-EAs are receptive to a proposal to substitute bivalves for other meat. They are not receptive to proposals to go vegetarian/vegan.
This is a better source about it being difficult to influence dietary change https://rethinkpriorities.org/publications/effectiveness-of-a-theory-informed-documentary-to-reduce-consumption-of-meat-and-animal-products (via method of documentaries)
The greater tractability of dietary change to increase bivalve consumption(reducing other animal consumption) is likely the strongest point in support of bivalve farming. I think(85%) that influencing people to substitute for bivalve consumption will be quite similar in difficulty to influencing people to go more veg*n. Some people who identify as vegan also consume bivalves anyways so this may not be an either/or though. Nudging people away from the worst in suffering per calorie is always better so it.
On price I don’t think(65%) scallops(which you compared) are the cheapest of the bivalves? May be better options!
Depending on what it substitutes for, it would also reduce crop farming and associated rodent/insect deaths
This is an interesting point! Animals require a lotta farmland for food. I’m not sure there’s any strong agreement though that reducing amount of crop farmland is good for animal welfare compared to counterfactual re-wilded land, or the counterfactual how the wild animals in the farmland would have died anyways.
can clean up polluted water.
xD Be careful with this point there seems to be a tradeoff between cleaning polluted water and health, from that article:
As they filter water, the bivalves’ tissues absorb some of the chemicals and pathogens that are present—things like herbicides, pharmaceuticals and flame retardants
I’m not too confident that AGI’s would be prone to value lock in. Possibly I am optimistic about ai, but ai already seems quite good at working through ethical dilemmas and acknowledging that there is nuance and conflicting views on morals. It would seem like quite the blunder to simply regard the morals of those closest to them as the ones of most importance.
Can creatine be found in vegan supplements?
I think the majority of people who interact here aren’t strictly just existing to be of service people!
Well I can best speak for myself, I mainly enjoy EA to the extent that I have some % of me or some desire to do some good. I enjoy that EA helps me do good better(even in maybe only certain areas ex. animals).Your free to choose for yourself to help others if that’s what you(or a % of your multiple desires) wants to do! If there is some desire to help others, let’s figure out how to help them more effectively!
both Apple’s App Store and Google Play Store have policies in place that require you to provide clear and transparent communication to users about charges before processing in-app purchases.
Apple’s App Store Review Guidelines state that you must “clearly and accurately describe the in-app purchase and its terms” to users before they initiate the purchase. This means you need to provide sufficient information about the charge, such as the price, what the user will receive in return, and any applicable terms or conditions. It’s essential to obtain explicit user consent before processing any charges.
Similarly, Google Play’s Developer Policy Center requires that you “clearly disclose the price, currency, and the specific functionality or content users are purchasing” and “obtain explicit consent from the user before charging them.” The pricing information should be presented in a way that is easily understandable to users.
To comply with these policies, it is common practice to display a clear and prominent dialog or popup within your app, informing users about the charge and requesting their consent before proceeding with the purchase. This popup should provide a clear description of the purchase, the associated cost, and any relevant terms or conditions.
Thus, having a button to click that charges 1$ isn’t possible without a popup between each click.
Anyone got ideas for alternatives?
I think the Utilitarian arguments you presented are quite strong, such as precommiting to certain principles being very advantageous, but surely they’re not infinitely advantageous right? A few billion is quite a lot.