Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸

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Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 29 Jan 2025 7:12 UTC
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in reply to: Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸’s comment on: The Game Board has been Flipped: Now is a good time to rethink what you’re doing
Espionage may honestly be the best reason to work in a lab.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 29 Jan 2025 7:11 UTC
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on: The Game Board has been Flipped: Now is a good time to rethink what you’re doing
Great piece— great prompt to rethink things and good digests of implications.
If you agree that mass movement building is a priority, check out PauseAI-US.org , or donate here: https://www.zeffy.com/donation-form/donate-to-help-pause-ai

One implication I strongly disagree with is that people should be getting jobs in AI labs. I don’t see you connecting that to actual safety impact, and I sincerely doubt working as a researcher gives you any influence on safety at this point (if it ever did). There is a definite cost to working at a lab, which is capture and NDA-walling. Already so many EAs work at Anthropic that it is shielded from scrutiny within EA, and the attachment to “our player” Anthropic has made it hard for many EAs to do the obvious thing by supporting PauseAI. Put simply: I see no meaningful path to impact on safety working as an AI lab researcher, and I see serious risks to individual and community effectiveness and mission focus.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 26 Dec 2024 17:28 UTC
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in reply to: Anthony DiGiovanni’s comment on: Pausing AI is the only safe approach to digital sentience
Yes, you detect correctly that I have some functionalist assumptions in the above. They aren’t strongly held but I had hope then we could simply avoid building conscious systems by pausing generally. Even if it seems less likely now that we can avoid making sentient systems at all, I still think it’s better to stop advancing the frontier. I agree there could in principle be a small animal problem with that, but overwhelmingly I think the benefits of more time, creating fewer possibly sentient models before learning more about how their architecture corresponds to their experience, and pushing a legible story about why it is important to stop without getting into confusing paradoxical effects like the small animal problem (I formed this opinion in the context of animal welfare— people get the motives behind vegetarianism; they do not get why you would eat certain wild-caught fish and not chickens, so you’re missing out on the power of persuasion and norm-setting) mean the right move re:digital sentience is pausing.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 2 Dec 2024 21:50 UTC
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on: A case for donating to AI risk reduction (including if you work in AI)
If you are so inclined, individual donors can make a big difference to PauseAI US as well (more here: https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/YWyntpDpZx6HoaXGT/please-vote-for-pauseai-us-in-the-donation-election)

We’re the highest voted AI risk contender in the donation election, so vote for us while there’s still time!

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 2 Dec 2024 5:40 UTC
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on: Please vote for PauseAI US in the Donation Election!
I should also add the context that Open Phil will not fund us for political reasons. We have no big funders—it’s all down to people like you!

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 22 Nov 2024 6:22 UTC
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in reply to: Søren Elverlin’s comment on: Please vote for PauseAI US in the Donation Election!
Fixed it—thank you!

Please vote for PauseAI US in the Donation Election!

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸22 Nov 2024 4:12 UTC

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Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 20 Nov 2024 10:26 UTC
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in reply to: david_reinstein’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
Oh sorry, “exempt employee” is a legal term, referring to being exempt from limits on hours, overtime, mandatory lunch breaks, etc. What I meant was I’m not an hourly employee.

https://www.indeed.com/hire/c/info/exempt-vs-non-exempt-employee

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 20 Nov 2024 3:21 UTC
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in reply to: Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
The pledge, for me, is not just about donating the money but about the spiritual hygiene parting with the money and affirming my priorities, so it’s very important to me to actually give money I was in possession of. It could work for hours but I’d need to have that same knowledge of making the sacrifice as it was happening. I’m not saying this is the correct or necessary way to view the pledge and I approve of other people using the pledge in the way that best helps them to stay in line with their altruistic values.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 20 Nov 2024 3:15 UTC
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in reply to: david_reinstein’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
It is actual salary. Since I’m an exempt, salaried employee, it’s not clear that I could claim pro bono hours, and unless that was very clearly written into my hire letter I feel that doing things that way wouldn’t be enough in line with the spirit of the pledge. It’s possible we could get the tax benefits and deal with my qualms in the future.

I didn’t receive salary I was owed before the org was officially formed (waiting for the appropriate structures to pay myself with a W2), all of which is still an account payable to me, and I’ve foregone additional salary when the org couldn’t afford it, which is owed to me as backpay. In order to donate any of the money that’s owed to me, we have to process it through payroll and pay payroll tax on it.

At this point, I have many years of 10% donations in backpay. Some of it I’m reserving the right to still claim one day. But I’m processing some as a donation for my year-end giving (when I do the bulk of my giving) this year.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 17 Nov 2024 20:51 UTC
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in reply to: NunoSempere’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
Well if someone has a great suggestion that’s the objection it has to overcome

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 16 Nov 2024 23:19 UTC
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in reply to: NunoSempere’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
No offense to forecasting, which is good and worthwhile, but I think trying to come with a bet in this case is a guaranteed time suck that will muddy the waters instead of clarifying them. There are very few crisp falsifiable hypotheses that also get at the cruxes of whether it’s better to donate to PauseAI or animal welfare given that that’s not already clear to Vasco that I think would make good bets unfortunately.

https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/1776724461636735244

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 16 Nov 2024 20:21 UTC
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in reply to: Vasco Grilo🔸’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
Hmm, I wonder what we would bet on. There’s no official timeline or p(doom) of PauseAI, and our community is all over the map on that. Our case for you donating to pausing AI is not about exactly how imminently doom is upon us, but how much a grassroots movement would help in concentrating public sentiments and swaying crucial decisions by demanding safety and accountability.

My personal views on AI Doom (https://forum.effectivealtruism.org/posts/LcJ7zoQWv3zDDYFmD/cutting-ai-safety-down-to-size) are not as doomy as Greg’s. I just still think this is the most important issue in the world at a lower chance of extinction or with a longer timelines, and that the crucial time to act is as soon as possible. I don’t think the timeline prediction is really the crux.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 16 Nov 2024 20:05 UTC
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in reply to: Habryka’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
Doesn’t he abstain voting on at least SFF grants himself because of this? I’ve heard that but you’d know better.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 15 Nov 2024 2:21 UTC
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in reply to: OscarD🔸’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
The minimal PauseAI US is me making enough to live in the Bay Area. As long as I’m keeping the organization alive, much of the startup work will not be lost. Our 501(c)(3) and c4 status would come in in the next year, I’d continue to use the systems set up by me and Lee, and I’d be able to keep a low amount of programming going while fundraising. I intend to keep PauseAI US alive unless I absolutely can’t afford it or I became convinced I would never be able to effectively carry out our interventions.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 15 Nov 2024 2:02 UTC
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in reply to: Benevolent_Rain’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
It’s well-known to be true that Tallinn is an investor in AGI companies, and this conflict of interest is why Tallinn appoints others to make the actual grant decisions. But those others may be more biased in favor of industry than they realize (as I happen to believe most of the traditional AI Safety community is).

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 15 Nov 2024 1:46 UTC
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in reply to: Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
I struggled with how to handle the 10% pledge when I first starting seeking donations. I did find it a little hinky to donate to my own org, but also kind of wrong to ask people for donations that end up funding other stuff, even though it’s 100% the employee’s business what they do with the salary they receive and that doesn’t change just because they do charitable work, etc.

But circumstances have made that decision for me as I’ve ended up donating a considerable amount of my salary to the org to get it through the early stages. Let’s just say I’m well ahead on my pledge!

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 15 Nov 2024 1:40 UTC
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on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
Holly, you’re a 10% Pledger, does that mean that some of the money we give you ends up with different charities?

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 14 Nov 2024 21:54 UTC
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in reply to: OscarD🔸’s comment on: AMA: PauseAI US needs money! Ask founder/Exec Dir Holly Elmore anything for 11/19
1. I know bigger orgs like recurring for a few reasons (people likely give more total money this way, fundraising case is often is based on need so it’s good not to be holding all your future at once), but I think we are currently too small to prefer uncertain future money over a lump sum. Also, because we are fiscally sponsored until we get our own 501(c)(3) status, setting up systems for recurring donations is a bit hairy and we’ll just have to redo them in a few months. So, perhaps in the future we will prefer recurring, for now lump sum is great. If it’s easier for you to do recurring, we could set up a recurring Zelle transfer now.
2. Manifund is also our fiscal sponsor, so we would owe them 5% of our income anyway. In our case, it makes no difference financially, and the platform is more convenient.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸 13 Nov 2024 20:40 UTC
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in reply to: det’s comment on: Cutting AI Safety down to size
I was going on my memory of that post and I don’t have the spoons to go through it again, so I’ll take your word for it.

Holly Elmore ⏸️ 🔸

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