Joseph Lemien

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I have work experience in HR and Operations. I read a lot, I enjoy taking online courses, and I do some yoga and some rock climbing. I enjoy learning languages, and I think that I tend to have a fairly international/cross-cultural focus or awareness in my life. I was born and raised in a monolingual household in the US, but I’ve lived most of my adult life outside the US, with about ten years in China, two years in Spain, and less than a year in Brazil.

As far as EA is concerned, I’m fairly cause agnostic/cause neutral. I think that I am a little bit more influenced by virtue ethics and stoicism than the average EA, and I also occasionally find myself thinking about inclusion, diversity, and accessibility in EA. Some parts of the EA community that I’ve observed in-person seem not very welcoming to outsides, or somewhat gatekept. I tend to care quite a bit about how exclusionary or welcoming communities are.

I was told by a friend in EA that I should brag about how many books I read because it is impressive, but I feel uncomfortable being boastful, so here is my clunky attempt to brag about that.

Unless explicitly stated otherwise, opinions are my own, not my employer’s.

Joseph Lemien 5 Dec 2023 17:14 UTC
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on: Joseph Lemien’s Shortform
(not well thought-out musings. I’ve only spent a few minutes thinking about this.)
In thinking about the focus on AI within the EA community, the Fermi paradox popped into my head. For anyone unfamiliar with it and who doesn’t want to click through to Wikipedia, my quick summary of the Fermi paradox is basically: if there is such a high probability of extraterrestrial life, why haven’t we seen any indications of it?
On a very naïve level, AI doomerism suggests a simple solution to the Fermi paradox: we don’t see signs of extraterrestrial life because civilizations tend to create unaligned AI, which destroys them. But I suspect that the AI-relevant variation would actually be something more like this:
We claim that a superintelligent AI is going to be a reality soon (maybe between 5 years and 80 years from now), and in general is a benchmark that any civilization would reach eventually. But if superintelligent AI is a thing that civilizations tend to make, why aren’t we seeing any indications of that in the broader universe? If some extraterrestrial civilization made an aligned AI, wouldn’t we see the results of that in a variety of ways? If some extraterrestrial civilization made an unaligned AI, wouldn’t we see the results of that in a variety of ways?
Like many things, I suppose the details matter immensely. Depending on the morality of the creators, an aligned AI might reach spend resources expanding civilization throughout the galaxy, or it might happily putt along maintaining a globe’s agricultural system. Depending on how an unaligned AI is unaligned, it might be focused on turning the whole universe into paperclips, or it might simply kill its creators to prevent them from enduring suffering. So on a very simplistic level it seems that the claim of “civilizations tend to make AI eventually, and it really is a superintelligent and world-changing technology” is consistent with reality of “we don’t observe any signs of extraterrestrial intelligence.”

Joseph Lemien 23 Nov 2023 23:20 UTC
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in reply to: Kaleem’s comment on: Kaleem’s Shortform
Here are some of the non-fiction books I’ve enjoyed most this year:
- The Soul of a Woman, by Isabel Allende
- The Idealist: Jeffrey Sachs and the Quest to End Poverty, by Nina Munk
- I Hate the Ivy League: Riffs and Rants on Elite Education, by Malcolm Gladwell (from what I can tell it is several podcast episodes compiled into an audiobook, but it was good)
- What a Fish Knows: The Inner Lives of Our Underwater Cousins, by Jonathan Balcombe
- Brotopia: Breaking Up the Boys’ Club of Silicon Valley, by Emily Chang
- Science Fictions: How Fraud, Bias, Negligence, and Hype Undermine the Search for Truth, by Stuart Ritchie (I think that this one is particularly appropriate for EAs, considering how we are trying to figure out what actually works)
- How to Be Perfect: The Correct Answer to Every Moral Question, by Michael Schur (the most lighthearted and playful moral philosophy book I’ve ever encountered)

Joseph Lemien 21 Nov 2023 17:48 UTC
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in reply to: tobytrem’s comment on: Hello from the new content manager at CEA
Sure. The silly and simplified cliché is something like this: a comment describes someone’s feelings (or internal state) and then gets some agree votes and disagree votes, as if Person A says “this makes me happy” and person be wants to argue that point.
(to be clear, this is a very small flaw/issue with the EA Forum, and I wouldn’t really object if the people running the forum decide that this is too minor of an issue to spend time on)
A few little examples:
- Peter Wildeford’s comment on this post “What’s the difference between a Content Specialist and a Content Manager?” currently has two agree votes. There isn’t any argument or stance there; it is merely asking a question. So I assume people are using the agree vote to indicate something like “I also have this question” or “I am glad that you are asking this question.”
- I made a comment a few days ago about being glad that I am not the only one who wants to have financial runway before donating. It currently has a few agree votes and disagree votes, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why. There aren’t really any stances or claims being made in that comment.
- Ben West made a comment about lab grown meat that currently has 27 agree votes, even through the comment has nothing to agree with: “Congratulations to Upside Foods, Good Meat, and everyone who worked on this technology!” I guess that people are using the agree vote to indicate something like “I like this, and I want to express the same gratitude.”

Joseph Lemien 20 Nov 2023 19:43 UTC
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on: Hello from the new content manager at CEA
The only thing that comes to mind for me regarding “make it better” would be to change the wording on the tooltips for voting to clarify (or to police?) what they are for. I somewhat regularly see people agree vote or disagree vote with comments that don’t contain any claims or arguments.

Joseph Lemien 20 Nov 2023 19:34 UTC
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on: Hello from the new content manager at CEA
Welcome! Glad to have you here, Toby.

Joseph Lemien 20 Nov 2023 19:31 UTC
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on: Joseph Lemien’s Shortform
I suspect that the biggest altruistic counterfactual impact I’ve had in my life was merely because I was in the right place at the right time: a moderately heavy cabinet/shelf thing was tipping over and about to fall on a little kid (I don’t think it would have killed him. He probably would have had some broken bones, lots of bruising, and a concussion). I simply happened to be standing close enough to react.
It wasn’t as a result of any special skillset I had developed, nor of any well thought-out theory of change; it was just happenstance. Realistically, I can’t really take credit for it any more than I can take credit for being born in the time and place that I was. It makes me think about how we plan for things in expectation, but there is such a massive amount of random ‘noise’ in the world. This isn’t exactly epistemic humility or moral cluelessness, but it seems vaguely related to those.

Joseph Lemien 19 Nov 2023 17:19 UTC
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on: Progress Open Thread: EAGxVirtual 2023
I had a lovely conversation with someone currently working for Mercy for Animals about food systems in Southeast Asia, including some aspects of the logistics for transporting vegetables as opposed to animal-based food that I wasn’t aware of. I think I might have I learned more from this conversation than from any other conversation I’ve had at an EAG or EAGx event.

Joseph Lemien 17 Nov 2023 19:10 UTC
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in reply to: Charles He’s comment on: How much does performance differ between people?
it’s not clear there’s more 5 people who will read to this point
I just want to say that in late 2023, a few years after you wrote this, at least one person is still reading and appreciating your comments. :)

Joseph Lemien 16 Nov 2023 19:18 UTC
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on: Notes on not taking the GWWC pledge (yet)
TLDR: I am glad that I am not the only one who thinks “I’d like to help, but I want to make sure I have enough financial runway first.”
(The rest of this comment is just my musings and explorations.)
I’m glad you wrote this. I’ve had vaguely similar thoughts bouncing around in my head during the past few days of seeing so much talk about giving.
I’ve donated a small amount of money over the years (≈8% of my income one year, and ≈1% another year), but I’ve never taken a pledge, and for most of my adult life I’ve not felt as financially secure as I would like. I feel a vague sense of pressure that effective giving is something I should do, and that it is something other people will think more highly of me for. But I’ve crunched numbers, and I have a spreadsheet, and I know a decent amount about personal finance. My rough narrative is something like this: there are bad things that have a reasonable chance of occurring in my life. If I have enough money available, then most of these things will be an annoyance, or a minor setback, or a negligible cost to me. If I do not have enough money available, these most of things will be a major setback, or will irrevocably alter my life path for the worse, or make other things much harder for me.
I would also like to retire someday. I assume that I will eventually reach an age where I lack the energy or motivation to do stuff, and I don’t want to be in a situation in which I am forced to choose between doing a miserable job and not being able to afford decent food, clothing, and shelter.
If I had an in demand skill that could easily get me a well-paying job, or if I had family wealth to rely on, or if I had an excellent professional network from a well-reputed university… well, the more of these things one has, the less risk-averse one has to be.^[1] But in general I feel a great sense of financial precarity, and currently I am not confident that I will have enough money in the future to provide a modestly comfortable life for myself.
In brief, I want to make sure that I am taken care of. Any money above and beyond that I am happy to get rid off (such as donating it at the end of my life, or doing donations after a few years of earning good money).
1. ^
  For legal citizens, it’s less risky to drive above the speed limit. For married people with two incomes that share expenses, it’s less risky to quit one job to start another. For people with a highly in-demand skillset, it is less risky to take time off work to travel. For students not relying on scholarships, it’s less risky to skip class. For people with non-abusive parents, it’s less risky to live with family. And so on.

Joseph Lemien 31 Oct 2023 17:56 UTC
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on: Joseph Lemien’s Shortform
I’m been thinking about small and informal ways to build empathy^[1]. I don’t have big or complex thoughts on this (and thus I’m sharing rough ideas as a quick take rather than as a full post). This is a tentative and haphazard musing/exploration, rather than a rigorous argument.
- Read about people who have various hardships or suffering. I think that this is one of the benefits of reading fiction: it helps you more realistically understand (on an emotional level) the lives of other people. Not all fiction is created equal, and you probably won’t won’t develop the same level of empathy reading about vampire romance as you will reading a book about a family struggling to survive a civil war^[2]. But good literature can make you cry and leave you shaken for how much you feel. The other approach here is to read things that are not fiction; read real stories. Autobiographies can be one option, but if you don’t want to commit to something so large, try exploring online forums where people tell their own stories of the hard and difficult things they have gone through. Browsing the top posts on the Cancer subreddit might bring tears to your eyes. I suggest that you do not do this during the workday: If you can read about these experiences (a person watching their spouse suffer and die while being helpless to do anything about it, or a parent knowing he won’t live to see his child’s tenth birthday) without crying and losing composure, then you are made of sterner stuff than I am^[3]. I remember crying when I read Zhenga Cuomao’s writing about her husband’s “trial” and imprisonment: “How is it this hard to be a good person?” I wanted so desperately for the world to be a just place, and the world so obviously was not. So if you want to build empathy this way, the action might be something like occasionally seek out places where you can hear of actual hardship that real people undergo.
- Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes. It shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone that experiencing hardship can build empathy for hardship. It is one of the common tropes of storytelling. But (taking physical disability as an example) it is very different to think “it must be hard to live life with such mobility limitations” and to actually live for a few days being physically unable to drink from a glass of water or raise your arms above your head. The trouble with walking in someone’s shows is that it is normally not feasible. You can understand what it is like to be an immigrant in a foreign country, but only if you are willing to commit multiple years of your life to actually doing that. There are roleplaying exercises people can do, but it is hard to get a full picture. There isn’t any easy way for a man to have the experience that a woman has in American society^[4], nor it is easy for a person without any mental illnesses to understand what it is like to live with bipolar or schizophrenia. Nonetheless, some people seriously commit to these efforts. Seneca recommends regularly spending time destitute and depriving yourself of comfortable clothing a good quality food^[5]. In 1959 John Howard Griffin (a white man) chemically darkened his skin to appear black. Barbara Ehrenreich wrote a book about her experience spending months trying to make it as a low-wage, unskilled worker (a project that has been duplicated by others). And even she was aware that she could always stop ‘pretending’ if she had a real emergency. The National Center for Civil and Human Rights in Atlanta has an experience/exhibit in which you sit on a bar stool and put on headphones to immerse yourself in a simulated experience of being black in a diner in the deep south.
Why bother? Well, I have a vague and not well-reasoned intuition that being more empathetic makes you a better person. Will it actually increase your impact? I have no idea. Maybe you would have higher impact and you would make the world a better place if you just kept your head down and worked on your project.
A polished article would have some sort of conclusion or a nice takeaway, but for this short form I’ll just end it here.
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  I’m using “empathy” in a pretty sloppy sense. Something like “caring for other people who are not related/connected to you” or “developing something of an emotional understanding of the suffering people go through, rather than merely an intellectual one.” I’m thinking about this in a very suffering-focused sense.
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  Half of a Yellow Sun is once of the books that I think made me a little bit more empathetic. It is a book about the Nigerian Civil war, something that I assume most of fellow North Americans know almost nothing about. I certainly knew nothing about it.
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  And to echo writings from many other people in and around the EA community: if you think that is bad, remember that there is a similar level of suffering happening every day for millions of people.
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  Although you can read accounts from transgender people. The rough summary would be something like “I am stunned at how different people treat me when they see me as a man/woman.”
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  Note that the Stoic interpretation here isn’t to build empathy, but rather to make yourself unafraid of hardship. And the trouble with using these for building empathy is that you aren’t really in the situation; you can stop pretending whenever you like. For anyone who is curious, here is the relevant excerpt from The Daily Stoic that turned me on to this idea:
  What if you spent one day a month experiencing the effects of poverty, hunger, complete isolation, or any other thing you might fear? After the initial culture shock, it would start to feel normal and no longer quite so scary.
  There are plenty of misfortunes one can practice, plenty of problems one can solve in advance. Pretend your hot water has been turned off. Pretend your wallet has been stolen. Pretend your cushy mattress was far away and that you have to sleep on the floor, or that your car was repossessed and you have to walk everywhere. Pretend you lost your job and need to find a new one. Again, don’t just think about these things, but live them. And do it now, while things are good. As Seneca reminds us: “It is precisely in times of immunity from care that the soul should toughen itself beforehand for occasions of greater stress. . . . If you would not have a man flinch when the crisis comes, train him before it comes.”

Joseph Lemien 30 Oct 2023 1:33 UTC
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on: Foundation that support overseas volunteer financially
Martingale, this kind of an effort seems quite a bit different from the core efforts of effective altruism. Consequently, I suspect that this question won’t get much traction that you probably won’t get many useful suggestions. An additional factor is that volunteering in distant places for a short period of time has some complications involved in it. You can read here if you want an introduction to some of the ideas, or explore the book Ours to Explore: Privilege, Power, and the Paradox of Voluntourism if you want a more in-depth exploration. In general, I’d encourage you to have different mental buckets for “doing good” and for “travel/leisure.”
However, if you are set on using your time/effort to volunteer in Argentina, I think that the subreddit for Argentina might be able to give you some suggestions. I’m guessing that most NGOs or non-profit organizations wouldn’t find it a good use of their resources to provide financial help to your kids, but you can try reaching out to Habitat for Humanity in Argentina, or to organizations like International Volunteer HQ.

Joseph Lemien 22 Oct 2023 14:19 UTC
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on: Announcing Rob Gledhill as the new CEO of EV UK
I’ve only worked with Rob Gledhill a small amount in the past, but the interactions I’ve had with him left me with positive impressions. He struck me as competent, professional, and caring.
I think quite a bit about talent, hiring, operations, how to make use of people, etc. I suspect that Rob at the head of Effective Ventures (UK) will be a net plus for the EA ecosystem. Opinions from random community members may not be particularly important for these kinds of decisions, but I at least want to voice that (to the extent it matters or that anyone cares), I’m happy to see this happening.

Joseph Lemien 19 Oct 2023 16:26 UTC
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on: AMA: Six Open Philanthropy staffers discuss OP’s new GCR hiring round
If you were applying to Open Philanthropy as a candidate, what would be the parts of the hiring process that would cause you the must frustration/annoyance (alternatively: what would be the pain points)? What parts of the hiring process would you come away thinking “Open Philanthropy does that really well” afterwards?

Joseph Lemien 19 Oct 2023 16:24 UTC
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on: AMA: Six Open Philanthropy staffers discuss OP’s new GCR hiring round
Roughly what percent of Open Philanthropy hires are from candidates who apply without any personal connections, and roughly what percent of your hires are through connections/networking?

Joseph Lemien 8 Oct 2023 19:13 UTC
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on: Silicon Valley’s Rabbit Hole Problem
Thanks for posting and drawing more attention to this. I can only imagine that it takes a lot of courage to write about this in such a public manner. I hope you and your friends have all the support the you need.
Reading this makes me feel really angry and sad, both that an initial violation occurs, and also that later harm occurs.

Joseph Lemien 8 Oct 2023 19:11 UTC
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on: Silicon Valley’s Rabbit Hole Problem
For some of these acts of ostracization, silencing, and harm, would it be possible to name which organizations/individuals did these^[1]? I’d like to lessen/avoid contact with them.
I understand that concerns about libel probably exist for some, and concerns about the victim’s privacy probably exist for some of the scenarios. No need to respond if you prefer to not share any additional information.
1. ^
  Something like:
  • [ORG_A] revoked a job offer from someone after she was raped.
  • [NAME_1] was the administrator of a group chat that removed a member after she spoke up about sexually assaulted.
  • [NAME_2] shared a home address with encouragement for harassment.
  • I was uninvited from [CONFERENCE_X].

Joseph Lemien 4 Oct 2023 17:13 UTC
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on: Joseph Lemien’s Shortform
A very tiny, very informal announcement: if you want someone to review your resume and give you some feedback or advice, send me your resume and I’ll help. If we have never met before, that is okay. I’m happy to help you, even if we are total strangers.
For the past few months I’ve been active with a community of Human Resources professionals and I’ve found it quite nice to help people improve their resumes. I think there are a lot of people in EA that are looking for a job as part of a path to greater impact, but many people feel somewhat awkward or ashamed to ask for help. There is also a lot of ‘low-hanging fruit’ for making a resume look better, from simply formatting changes that make a resume easier to understand to wordsmithing the phrasings.
To be clear: this is not a paid service, I’m not trying to drum up business for some kind of a side-hustle, and I’m not going to ask you to subscribe to a newsletter. I am just a person who is offering some free low-key help.

Joseph Lemien 4 Oct 2023 16:36 UTC
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on: Ethical Considerations in regard to Outsourcing Labour Needs to the Global South
It is hard to make any confident claims when so much depends on the details. As a very simplistic example, a US-based firm could outsource manual content moderations to a Kenyan for a wage that is low by Kenyan standards (as described in the links you shared), or it could pay a Kenyan an wage that is excellent by Kenyan standards to do a “good” job.
I care about labor rights, and it is no surprise that some US-based companies pay small amounts of money to people in underdeveloped countries for unpleasant tasks. I dislike it, but it doesn’t seem very tractable to me. Imagine how incredibly hard it would be for the US government to adopt a law that all outsourcing must comply with US labor law.
There is also the old argument that this job may be terrible, but people choose to do it because it is the best option available to them, it is better than the alternatives. Many young people from rural areas migrate to cities and work very unenjoyable jobs in factories because they find it preferable to staying in the countryside and being a farmer. I’m not fully convinced by this argument, but I do think that there is some aspect of it that makes sense: these people are choosing to do this job rather than other jobs.

Joseph Lemien 27 Sep 2023 15:32 UTC
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on: Joseph Lemien’s Shortform
A brief thought on ‘operations’ and how it is used in EA (a topic I find myself occasionally returning to).
It struck me that operations work and non-operations work (within the context of EA) maps very well onto the concept of staff and line functions. Line function are those that directly advances an organization’s core work, while staff functions are those that do not. Staff functions have advisory and support functions; they help the line functions. Staff functions are generally things like accounting, finance, public relations/communication, legal, and HR. Line functions are generally things like sales, marketing, production, and distribution. The details will vary depending on the nature of the organization, but I find this to be a somewhat useful framework for bridging concepts between EA and the broader world.
It also helps illustrate how little information is conveyed if I tell someone I work in operations. Imagine ‘translating’ that into non-EA verbiage as I work in a staff function. Unless the person I am talking to already has a very good understanding of how my organization works, they won’t know what I actually do.

Joseph Lemien 20 Sep 2023 0:48 UTC
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on: My life would be much harder without the Community Health Team. I think yours might too.
Basically no one knows about any of the times they do things well because why would they?
This line particularly resonated with me. There are some types of work where doing it successfully means nobody ever hears about you: we generally don’t pays attention to people who prevent bad things because we don’t notice the absence of bad things as anything… well, as anything notable. It is almost like publication bias or some similar I don’t see it so I think it doesn’t exist situation. I imagine that community health work is often (although not always) a kind of invisible labor.
I suspect that the culture of EA is a little more likely to acknowledge and respect this kind of work (and I think it does a decent amount better than the broader society), but it still strikes me as less respected than the people doing more active, visible, and promoted things.
This is also strongly reminiscent of ideas in The Innovation Delusion, which describes how “maintenance and care workers, including IT helpdesks, nurses, and people who take out the trash both on our streets and on our social media networks, are underpaid and disrespected.”^[1]
1. ^
  These are not my words. This is from a book review.