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I asked chatgpt this:
Do you know who Stalin was?
Reply:
Yes, Stalin was the leader of the Soviet Union from 1922 until his death in 1953. He was known for his authoritarian rule and for implementing policies that resulted in the deaths of millions of people.
Chatgpt is really good.
In fortune 500 companies, rarely you find people that are exceptional on the get go. Most of them that have succeeded were allowed to grow themselves within parameterized environments of multidisciplinary scope so they can have the room to combine ideas.
Can EA develop the EA/ longtermist attitude in exceptionally talented people? I believe digging this question brutally can point every EA founder /Directorship role on how to deal with developing management talent..
I used chatgpt and it is amazing good at telling historical stories and describing people. I have used a similar tool named Jasper and is equally as powerful.
The data we are generating now from these systems are just mind boggling, Elon was right from years before—it will come a time that the data generated by AI systems will dwarf human outputs at scale. We are seeing the early stages of it.
I believe we should be developing AI Archetypes, similar to how Carl Jung aggregated his understanding of Analytical Psychology derived in how humans approach the world in repeating patterns of meta-stories.
I will write more about this as this is related to how can the alignment problem be approached from an evolutionary / psychological viewpoint..
Nice post. I am currently asking a lot why my comments are being downvoted recently. I would appreciate more information on them so I can be better at sharing information.
I’m curious as to why my reductionist approach is also being disliked as in real world scenarios it is very productive. Yeah just hope people explain further to what extent they do not like but yeah I also understand the difficulty of explaining.
Again, for the down votes please specify why my honest comments were inappropriate. Thanks
Thank you for this post, very relevant to what I’m researching—Goal Misgeneralization problem
Hi there,
I believe declining in it is a better option, as it doesn’t provide a long-termist approach to helping the future become better. Choose another project that can in the future be bigger or big enough to probably cover for the negative impact the casino may provide.
I see this problem a present vs. future discussion.
If you want a business approach take, you can look up discussions on how opportunity costs are computed. A relevant economic concept.
https://study.com/academy/lesson/opportunity-cost-formula-analysis.html#
No worries. We are all making our choices here and atleast I’m trying to understand the general mechanics on how to handle discussions here. Thank you for replying.
thank you for your reply Kirsten.
I just answered a very straightforward question where I was donating and I got down voted. I wish voters may share their thoughts on my chosen donee. Thank you
I do agree in this post as the likes of Theranos, WeWork and Now FTX is like a pattern of some sorts. It’s like we as a society is unable to have multiple people thinking effectively in the world of money that is why utopian visions easily sweeps the wide swats of the business landscape..
A similar pattern in some sense is how bad ideas in former USSR and Germany where either communism or nazism got easily inserted to the larger community through lies.
Human OS is seemingly ill equipped when promises of a better future is narrated by highly ambitious, but fraudulent individuals. Only few can really see through the future or discover the gaps that will lead to horror.
But a good question is how do you tackle something that is hard earned truths?
Like utopian visions ending up to corrupt all of its founders and the people who believed in it (communism in Russia, China or Cambodia)? Are we always going to leave open ends and keep inquiring even if we have basically tried to repeat the same errors that even have caused massive hurt, deaths and suffering as a civilization?
I see a trend now in fraud that we just as a society is very vulnerable to it—is it really to complex for us? or is it a but that we have in our cognitive ability and only few can understand significant effects of small deceptive actions that aggregates like snowballs growing to avalanches of suffering?
I would appreciate your comment on this Habryka. Thank you.
Given that I have been encouraging lots of people to write more about the FTX situation, I want to clarify that I have a dispreference for posts like this. I don’t think they are terrible, but the kind of writing that I am interested in is people sharing observations and hypotheses and trying to do collective sense-making, and not public statements like this, which seem to only communicate information that helps people orient incidentally to their more social-reality based core content.
I agree with this criticism. I will do my best to reduce my inherent bias to my real world experiences and be on an inquisitive mode moving forward. Thanks Habryka.
okay, I found an earlier comment.
so the choice of words was the problem. hmmm. sorry for that I guess. At least we are on the same page as to where should we place our view on fraudulent behavior.
It is very weird that this comment got downvoted so much even though that this was my experience in the business world. I’m getting the impression that many do not understand fraud and that is why it keeps on repeating like a pattern that affects so many people negatively.
I would appreciate proper criticisms so I can explain further why fraud is unacceptable at all levels especially in organizational or business setting.
Thanks Linch, Probably I phrased it wrongly. But what my thought process was lying to save jews because the Gestapos where following a wrong worldview is not lying for me—that is doing the morally correct thing, prevent people from dying.
Money either can make or break anyone—it multiplies who we really are as a person. Thank you as well for recognizing that I am zeroing in at the fraud, internal controls and governance issues but these concepts will never get implemented properly if we do not agree with the basic notion of what is truthful in this community. This is why I am trying to ask questions related to how can the act of lying be justified—I run marathons and there is no way I can do it through without training, same with martial arts where I have to repeat certain front flips or left kicks for a year or two just to get it right or even the daily one hour routine of playing the guitar to get better. I have been to so many positions in life and never have found a use case for lying—ever.
Another thing, this community seems to be ahead of the existential risks research /actions yet got blindsided by SBF. I want to share that it is becoming a trend since we had the ability to increase the reach of our communication through phones, radio, tv, paper or now the internet—bad ideas that affects large swats of the population gets pushed so easily. Scandals like Theranos, FTX, Lehman were somewhat abstraction of post modernism that is an upgrade from the marxist view—I am very worried that the true existential threat is actually that we as a society is not equipped as a whole to understand complex bad ideas creeping into our daily lives. Nuclear weapons, AI misalignment, pandemics, climate catastrophe and etc are actually easier to solve if we get society to band together—yet these major frauds are hitting the us like gut punches and dividing the world more...If I will bet on what is the priority truly—it is totalitarian ideas like what SBF did can floor civilization to its knees.
In my view, the Gestapo is acting in a lie as they are similar to regular policemen in Poland that believed in the Nazi narrative and eventually ended up becoming mercenaries that shoot pregnant women at the back of their head (As described in the book Ordinary Men) - Communism, Nazism and other totalitarian views have the initial goal of saving people and making the best case scenarios and ends up becoming diabolical pursuits as the utopian vision that they are trying to sell to people becomes the source of lies that the average person need to tackle like the example you just describe Habryka.
Unless you can justify that grand narrative that the Gestapos are following is for the common good, I cannot consider the example a correct position to lie—as for me saving people is not lying.
(a place to actually think carefully about when it’s correct to lie, instead of trying to oversimplify the rules of ethics into a something that doesn’t actually end up having to do much with my daily decision making).
You mean you think that there is a position where lying is acceptable? Please explain further..
Me:
Describe purple dragon don jitsu ryu pioneered by Don Jacobs
Chatgpt:
I’m sorry, but I am still not able to provide any information about “purple dragon don jitsu ryu” or its founder, Don Jacobs. As a large language model trained by OpenAI, my knowledge is based on the text that I have been trained on, and I do not have the ability to browse the internet or provide information on topics that were not included in my training data. If you have any more information or context about “purple dragon don jitsu ryu” or Don Jacobs, I would be happy to try to help, but without more information, I am unable to provide a response.
Hmmmm makes me wonder what books, internet resources or articles chatGPT was trained to. Definitely not the whole internet..