Agreed, and I think @Peter Wildeford has pointed that out in recent threads—it’s very unlikely to be a ‘conspiracy’ and much more likely that opinions and geographical locations are highly correlated. I can remember some recent comments of mine that swung from slighty upvoted to highly downvoted and back to slightly upvoted
This might be something that the Forum team is better placed to answer, but if anyone can think of a way to try to tease this out using data on the public API let me know and I can try and investigate it
Yeah it’s true, I was mostly just responding of the empirical question of how to identify/​measure that split on the Forum itself.
As to dealing with the split and what it represents, my best guess is that there is a Bay-concentrated/​influenced group of users who have geographically concentrated views, which much of the rest of EA disagree with/​to varying extents find their beliefs/​behaviour rude or repugnant or wrong.[1] The longer term question is if that group and the rest of EA[2] can cohere together under one banner or not.
I don’t know the answer there, but I’d very much prefer it to be discussion and mutual understanding rather than acrimony and mutual downvoting. But I admit I have been acrimonious and downvoted others on the Forum, so not sure those on the other side to me[3] would think I’m a good choice to start that dialogue.
Perhaps the feeling is mutual? I don’t know, certainly I think many members of this culture (not just in EA/​Rationalist circles but beyond in the Bay) find ‘normie’ culture morally wrong and intelorable
There have been a free comments about this. And I’m surprised the forum team hasn’t weighed in yet with data or comments. Are there actually voting trends which are differ across timezones? If so how do those patterns work? Should we do anything about it.
I’ve also found myself reactionary downvoting recently which I didn’t like but might have actually been fine just on the other side. That isn’t good at all so so guilty here too
Agreed, and I think @Peter Wildeford has pointed that out in recent threads—it’s very unlikely to be a ‘conspiracy’ and much more likely that opinions and geographical locations are highly correlated. I can remember some recent comments of mine that swung from slighty upvoted to highly downvoted and back to slightly upvoted
This might be something that the Forum team is better placed to answer, but if anyone can think of a way to try to tease this out using data on the public API let me know and I can try and investigate it
But it’s just sort of ‘not-fun’ to know that if one posts one’s post at the wrong time it’s gonna go underwater and maybe never come back.
Not sure what to do but it feels like there is a positive sum solution.
Yeah it’s true, I was mostly just responding of the empirical question of how to identify/​measure that split on the Forum itself.
As to dealing with the split and what it represents, my best guess is that there is a Bay-concentrated/​influenced group of users who have geographically concentrated views, which much of the rest of EA disagree with/​to varying extents find their beliefs/​behaviour rude or repugnant or wrong.[1] The longer term question is if that group and the rest of EA[2] can cohere together under one banner or not.
I don’t know the answer there, but I’d very much prefer it to be discussion and mutual understanding rather than acrimony and mutual downvoting. But I admit I have been acrimonious and downvoted others on the Forum, so not sure those on the other side to me[3] would think I’m a good choice to start that dialogue.
Perhaps the feeling is mutual? I don’t know, certainly I think many members of this culture (not just in EA/​Rationalist circles but beyond in the Bay) find ‘normie’ culture morally wrong and intelorable
Big simplification I know
For the record, as per bio, I am a ‘rest of the world/​non-Bay’ EA
There have been a free comments about this. And I’m surprised the forum team hasn’t weighed in yet with data or comments. Are there actually voting trends which are differ across timezones? If so how do those patterns work? Should we do anything about it.
I’ve also found myself reactionary downvoting recently which I didn’t like but might have actually been fine just on the other side. That isn’t good at all so so guilty here too