I feel like I want 80k to do more cause prioritisation if they are gonna direct so many people. Seems like 5 years ago they had their whole ranking thing which was easy to check. Now I am less confident in the quality of work that is directing lots of people in a certain direction.
Idk, many of the people they are directing would just do something kinda random which an 80k rec easily beats. I’d guess the number of people for whom 80k makes their plans worse in an absolute sense is kind of low and those people are likely to course correct.
Otoh, I do think people/orgs in general should consider doing more strategy/cause prio research, and if 80k were like “we want to triple the size of our research team to work out the ideal marginal talent allocation across longtermist interventions” that seems extremely exciting to me. But I don’t think 80k are currently being irresponsible (not that you explicitly said that, for some reason I got a bit of that vibe from your post).
80k could be much better than nothing and yet still missing out on a lot of potential impact, so I think your first paragraph doesn’t refute the point.
I agree with this, and have another tangential issue, which might be party of why cause prioritizing seems unclear? Their website seems confusing and overloaded to me.
Compare giving what we can’s page which has good branding and simple language. IMO 80,000 hours page has too much text and too much going on front page. Bring both websites up on your phone and judge for yourself.
These are the front page of EA for many people so are pretty important. These websites aren’t really for most of us, they are for fresh people so need to be punchy, straightforward and attractive. After clicking a couple pages bank things can get heavier.
Compare giving what we can’s page which has good branding and simple language. IMO 80,000 hours page has too much text and too much going on front page. Bring both websites up on your phone and judge for yourself.
My understanding is that 80k have done a bunch of A/B testing which suggested their current design outcompetes ~most others (presumably in terms of click-throughs / amount of time users spend on key pages).
You might not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
I hope I’m wrong and this is the deal, that would be an excellent approach. Would be interesting to see what the other designs they tested were, but obviously I won’t.
I feel like I want 80k to do more cause prioritisation if they are gonna direct so many people. Seems like 5 years ago they had their whole ranking thing which was easy to check. Now I am less confident in the quality of work that is directing lots of people in a certain direction.
Idk, many of the people they are directing would just do something kinda random which an 80k rec easily beats. I’d guess the number of people for whom 80k makes their plans worse in an absolute sense is kind of low and those people are likely to course correct.
Otoh, I do think people/orgs in general should consider doing more strategy/cause prio research, and if 80k were like “we want to triple the size of our research team to work out the ideal marginal talent allocation across longtermist interventions” that seems extremely exciting to me. But I don’t think 80k are currently being irresponsible (not that you explicitly said that, for some reason I got a bit of that vibe from your post).
80k could be much better than nothing and yet still missing out on a lot of potential impact, so I think your first paragraph doesn’t refute the point.
I agree with this, and have another tangential issue, which might be party of why cause prioritizing seems unclear? Their website seems confusing and overloaded to me.
Compare giving what we can’s page which has good branding and simple language. IMO 80,000 hours page has too much text and too much going on front page. Bring both websites up on your phone and judge for yourself.
These are the front page of EA for many people so are pretty important. These websites aren’t really for most of us, they are for fresh people so need to be punchy, straightforward and attractive. After clicking a couple pages bank things can get heavier.
My understanding is that 80k have done a bunch of A/B testing which suggested their current design outcompetes ~most others (presumably in terms of click-throughs / amount of time users spend on key pages).
You might not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
Love this response, peak performance ha.
I hope I’m wrong and this is the deal, that would be an excellent approach. Would be interesting to see what the other designs they tested were, but obviously I won’t.