on December 15th, is that indeed Alice did not get food,
This is false. Alice got food on December 15th. She got food 2.5 hours after she asked. Actually, she never asked me, I just offered when it seemed like she was struggling.
It says December 16 at 12:14am because I was in Europe at the time, so itâs showing the European time zone. It was Dec 15 at 7:13pm in the local time when this occurred.
She brought up being hungry at 4:53pm. I immediately offered to cook her the food in the house. When she didnât want any of the food in the house or food from any non-fast food restaurant within a 12 minute drive of home, I went out, while sick myself, and got and cooked her food. The only vegan food that fit her criteria in the store.
The only complaint she can legitimately say is that we did not get her Panda Express as fast as she would have liked (we got it for her the next day). She waited 2.5 hours for food. And she could have had it sooner if sheâd wanted any of the food in the house, which she usually ate nearly daily and enjoyed. She just didnât want that food. She wanted fast food and didnât get it as fast as she preferred.
Thank you! This definitely seems like highly relevant evidence.
Can you clarify whether Kelseyâs summary of the December 15th conversation is accurate or inaccurate? Itâs totally possible that I am misreading the screenshots, though my best interpretation was indeed the interpretation that Kelsey made in the screenshots.
I would be happy to correct the statement above if I am wrong here.
I do think this issue seems somewhat separate from the question of âdid the screenshots that were shared with us materially affect the things Ben wrote?â.
To be clear, this is relevant in as much as the original screenshot was evidence of there being more things you could share here, though I currently maintain that I donât think the screenshots that were shared with us showed any material error (given that Kelsey also walked away with the same impression of them being consistent).
I also totally care about just setting the record straight and getting the object-level issue right here, and in as much as there isnât anything very weird going on with the screenshots you sent, I think you provided pretty decent proof here and am changing my mind on the December 15th issue (and think if you had shared those screenshots with us instead, I think itâs pretty likely Ben would have somehow made sure that they made it into the post).
Kelseyâs summary was wrong in a number of important ways.
She missed the fact that we did indeed succeed in getting her vegan food (I found at the nearby store, despite being sick myself). 2.5 hours after we first offered. And it would have been faster if sheâd wanted any of the food in the house, or chosen a restaurant that had vegan options for Emerson and Drew to go to.
It doesnât mention the vegan food that was in the house already that I offered to cook (Alice ate oatmeal almost every day and she loved quinoa. Later when I cooked some up for her, she loved it, like usual, cause quinoa is the Queen of All Foods).
It doesnât mention that Drew said he would go to any restaurant within a 12 minute drive from our place and she just⌠didnât choose a restaurant. She only wanted fast food. So they ended up choosing a restaurant that didnât happen to have vegan options aside from the usual fries.
A quick look at Google Maps shows that there was over 20 restaurants that fit that criteria in the area. It wasnât restrictive at all.
She frames it as they didnât get her the food she wanted âbecause they [didnât] want to get fast food.â Itâs important to note that Emerson and Drew also are people whose preferences matter. Just because Alice is sick doesnât mean everybody has to drop their own needs and preferences to get her the very particular food she wants.
She frames it as Emerson and Drew being somehow inconsiderate and shallow, when you could just as easily frame it as Alice not considering the needs or preferences of anybody but herself, expecting everybody to drop everything and go out of their way so she can get the very specific fast food she wants. Then, when she doesnât get exactly what she wants as fast as she wants, she goes around telling lies about what happened to destroy a charity (e.g. nobody willing to get her food)
As for what Ben knew before publishing, if you look at that screenshot, you can see that:
Drew has offered to pick her up food (âDrew suggested he could otherwise pick up stuffâ)
Me and Emerson offered to pick her up food (âMe and Emerson can do it if he canâtâ)
I offered to cook her the food in the house (âCould make you some quinoaâ)
Ben said in his post that ânobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan foodâ. This is absolutely false. Ben had seen this screenshot clearly showing that we were willing to go out and get her food.
Note that she didnât even ask for food. I just offered because I could see she was in need (âwant me to order food?â)
It also said âso she barely ate for 2 daysâ. It shows in the messages that there was vegan food in the house. So that was clearly not the reason she didnât eat for days.
She had plenty of options but she wanted fast food in particular.
We got her her first choice of fast food the very next day (remember, she only started asking for food in the evening the previous day. It was also hard to get stuff for her. This was our first experience with covid and we were trying to figure out how to manage it, try to have it not spread, etc etc. It was quite a stressful and overwhelming time.).
Because she didnât get a very particular fast food as fast as she wanted, she interpreted this as us being heartless people who wouldnât take care of a sick person in need. She told Ben a false and misleading story about us not being willing to go out and get food for her.
This is false. Alice got food on December 15th. She got food 2.5 hours after she asked. Actually, she never asked me, I just offered when it seemed like she was struggling.
It says December 16 at 12:14am because I was in Europe at the time, so itâs showing the European time zone. It was Dec 15 at 7:13pm in the local time when this occurred.
She brought up being hungry at 4:53pm. I immediately offered to cook her the food in the house. When she didnât want any of the food in the house or food from any non-fast food restaurant within a 12 minute drive of home, I went out, while sick myself, and got and cooked her food. The only vegan food that fit her criteria in the store.
The only complaint she can legitimately say is that we did not get her Panda Express as fast as she would have liked (we got it for her the next day). She waited 2.5 hours for food. And she could have had it sooner if sheâd wanted any of the food in the house, which she usually ate nearly daily and enjoyed. She just didnât want that food. She wanted fast food and didnât get it as fast as she preferred.
Iâm currently back on the same time zone, so hereâs the same screenshot, but showing the right time zone dates and times
Thank you! This definitely seems like highly relevant evidence.
Can you clarify whether Kelseyâs summary of the December 15th conversation is accurate or inaccurate? Itâs totally possible that I am misreading the screenshots, though my best interpretation was indeed the interpretation that Kelsey made in the screenshots.
I would be happy to correct the statement above if I am wrong here.
I do think this issue seems somewhat separate from the question of âdid the screenshots that were shared with us materially affect the things Ben wrote?â.
To be clear, this is relevant in as much as the original screenshot was evidence of there being more things you could share here, though I currently maintain that I donât think the screenshots that were shared with us showed any material error (given that Kelsey also walked away with the same impression of them being consistent).
I also totally care about just setting the record straight and getting the object-level issue right here, and in as much as there isnât anything very weird going on with the screenshots you sent, I think you provided pretty decent proof here and am changing my mind on the December 15th issue (and think if you had shared those screenshots with us instead, I think itâs pretty likely Ben would have somehow made sure that they made it into the post).
Kelseyâs summary was wrong in a number of important ways.
She missed the fact that we did indeed succeed in getting her vegan food (I found at the nearby store, despite being sick myself). 2.5 hours after we first offered. And it would have been faster if sheâd wanted any of the food in the house, or chosen a restaurant that had vegan options for Emerson and Drew to go to.
It doesnât mention the vegan food that was in the house already that I offered to cook (Alice ate oatmeal almost every day and she loved quinoa. Later when I cooked some up for her, she loved it, like usual, cause quinoa is the Queen of All Foods).
It doesnât mention that Drew said he would go to any restaurant within a 12 minute drive from our place and she just⌠didnât choose a restaurant. She only wanted fast food. So they ended up choosing a restaurant that didnât happen to have vegan options aside from the usual fries.
A quick look at Google Maps shows that there was over 20 restaurants that fit that criteria in the area. It wasnât restrictive at all.
She frames it as they didnât get her the food she wanted âbecause they [didnât] want to get fast food.â Itâs important to note that Emerson and Drew also are people whose preferences matter. Just because Alice is sick doesnât mean everybody has to drop their own needs and preferences to get her the very particular food she wants.
She frames it as Emerson and Drew being somehow inconsiderate and shallow, when you could just as easily frame it as Alice not considering the needs or preferences of anybody but herself, expecting everybody to drop everything and go out of their way so she can get the very specific fast food she wants. Then, when she doesnât get exactly what she wants as fast as she wants, she goes around telling lies about what happened to destroy a charity (e.g. nobody willing to get her food)
As for what Ben knew before publishing, if you look at that screenshot, you can see that:
Drew has offered to pick her up food (âDrew suggested he could otherwise pick up stuffâ)
Me and Emerson offered to pick her up food (âMe and Emerson can do it if he canâtâ)
I offered to cook her the food in the house (âCould make you some quinoaâ)
Ben said in his post that ânobody in the house was willing to go out and get her vegan foodâ. This is absolutely false. Ben had seen this screenshot clearly showing that we were willing to go out and get her food.
Note that she didnât even ask for food. I just offered because I could see she was in need (âwant me to order food?â)
It also said âso she barely ate for 2 daysâ. It shows in the messages that there was vegan food in the house. So that was clearly not the reason she didnât eat for days.
She had plenty of options but she wanted fast food in particular.
We got her her first choice of fast food the very next day (remember, she only started asking for food in the evening the previous day. It was also hard to get stuff for her. This was our first experience with covid and we were trying to figure out how to manage it, try to have it not spread, etc etc. It was quite a stressful and overwhelming time.).
Because she didnât get a very particular fast food as fast as she wanted, she interpreted this as us being heartless people who wouldnât take care of a sick person in need. She told Ben a false and misleading story about us not being willing to go out and get food for her.