[Question] What do you think the vision is behind our biggest critics?

I keep seeing EA[1] accused of being “techno-utopian,” which I think means something like, “They may not talk much about it, but ultimately the thing that’s driving all their work is the dangerous/​naive/​selfish/​capitalist/​colonial/​male vision of a spacefaring civilisation of happy sentient beings made possible by differential technological development.”

If we likewise try to oversimplify their motives for a moment, what’s their vision?

I often find myself assuming that it’s either something like “Direct democracy everywhere”[2][3] or that there isn’t really one (because critics are rarely expected to provide fleshed out alternatives to the thing criticised). But I haven’t given it much thought and I’m curious to hear others’ impressions.

I don’t think a group needs to have confident consensus on a comprehensive vision of the future to have productive moral debate with others. But I do think it would be helpful to get a bit more clarity on what our respective visions might be, because they seem to be closer to where the main cruxes are than where the debate usually takes place.

  1. ^

    Perhaps “longtermism” or “core EA” would be more accurate, as I think I’ve seen EAs make this accusation of longtermist/​core EAs a fair bit too.

  2. ^

    I.e. for all adult human beings alive today for all non-trivial decisions. Maybe with some attempt to represent the interests of domesticated nonhuman vertebrates or human beings in the next 100 years max.

  3. ^

    And then the hugely simplified picture in my mind of what’s going on when EAs argue is one side saying, “But can we just agree that hell is overwhelmingly bad and heaven is overwhelmingly good?” and the other saying, “But can we just agree that that line of reasoning has a mixed-at-best track record even by its own lights?” over and over again.

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